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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/10/2023 5:33 PM
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'Eric Adams surrenders to the border crisis and gives up on New York's 'sanctuary city' title

Therefore, New York City will now start busing illegal immigrants to other areas of the country. It's a far cry from Adams's sanctimonious campaign statements. According to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and other left-wing activists, it may even be 'trafficking.'


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2...
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Author: alan81   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/10/2023 7:03 PM
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Why am I not surprised your news source is inaccurate. If you chase down the links you come to this source:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/07/eric-adam...

Indeed they are relocating some immigrants from NYC to other areas, but they are also keeping several there. They are just creating options.
Alan
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 1:15 PM
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alen81: Why am I not surprised your news source is inaccurate.

Headline from your link....

'Eric Adams plans to resettle asylum-seekers across U.S.'

Excerpt from your post.
'The city has spent roughly $650 million on providing services to the newcomers since the middle of last year. And on Monday, the city's budget director expressed dim hopes the administration would be getting any federal reimbursement beyond an unspecified portion of the $800 million in Federal Emergency Management Agency grant money already earmarked for cities around the country.'

Excerpt from my link....
'New York City Mayor Eric Adams, a Democrat, announced that the city will be relocating illegal immigrants across the country after months of complaints that the city's resources were being strained.'

Your link sugarcoats the money drain
My link says it as it is.

No inaccuracy.


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Author: alan81   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 2:10 PM
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Your headline:
Eric Adams surrenders to the border crisis and gives up on New York's 'sanctuary city' title
NYC is still a sanctuary city.
EOM
Alan
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 2:45 PM
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Your headline:
Eric Adams surrenders to the border crisis and gives up on New York's 'sanctuary city' title
NYC is still a sanctuary city.
EOM
Alan


Sugarcoated all you want. NYC is no longer a sanctuary city when Adams is now in the business of kicking out the illegals.
snip: 'Adams has now changed his tune and decided not to welcome any more illegals ' despite constantly bragging about New York being a 'sanctuary city.''

Yes, EOM
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 4:00 PM
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LurkerMom: 'Eric Adams surrenders to the border crisis and gives up on New York's 'sanctuary city' title

Nothing in your linked PJ Media article establishes that Adams has given up on New York's 'sanctuary city' title.

Nothing.

In fact, just the opposite.

Adams announced this past Tuesday that "New York City will open a 24-hour center to welcome migrants and create a new agency to coordinate efforts to deal with the arrival of thousands of asylum seekers..."

The newly formed Office of Asylum Seeker Operations will coordinate the city's efforts to house migrants and provide them with access to legal services in one place, moving migrants away from the current arrival point at the Port Authority Bus Terminal.

The city's new blueprint also calls for coordinating with other cities willing to accept asylum seekers and creating a partnership with the State University of New York Sullivan, which agreed to take in 100 asylum seekers who would live on the school's campus and receive work force training skills.


Adams said that the new location is part of an effort to create a strong structure to deal with a complicated issue, not a plan to shut anyone out.

Media Bias Fact Check on PJ Media: "Overall, we rate PJ Media to be Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as numerous failed fact checks."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/nyregion/migran...
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 5:11 PM
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'The city's new blueprint also calls for coordinating with other cities willing to accept asylum seekers and creating a partnership with the State University of New York Sullivan, which agreed to take in 100 asylum seekers who would live on the school's campus and receive work force training skills.'

Right. The more they come the more Adams ships them out or use them for cheap labor.

Media Bias Fact Check on PJ Media: "Overall, we rate PJ Media to be Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as numerous failed fact checks."

HoHum..Yawn..Stretch..yep, if its right wing it has to be wrong..lol..
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Author: alan81   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 7:01 PM
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I am adding "sanctuary city" to that same list "Woke" is on.
Things some people don't know what they are, but they hate them anyway.
Alan
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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 7:16 PM
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'The city's new blueprint also calls for coordinating with other cities willing to accept asylum seekers and creating a partnership with the State University of New York Sullivan, which agreed to take in 100 asylum seekers who would live on the school's campus and receive work force training skills.'
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Right. The more they come the more Adams ships them out or use them for cheap labor


With NYC's resources strained, you are criticizing Adams for having found 100 asylum seekers a situation that provides a home and meals AND training for available work? Instead of just turning them away or monolithically busing them to a city he despises?

You'll distort anything positive that busts your hostile narrow tunnel vision balloon. Including your initial insistance that Adams has revoked NYC's designation as a sancutary city, when that isn't remotely what happened. Rather, it was the sarcastic comment of a right-wing newspaper.....look at this "sanctuary" city, busing these migrants elsewhere.

Enough already.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 8:29 PM
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sheila727: You'll distort anything positive that busts your hostile narrow tunnel vision balloon.

WOW, talk about hostile..🙄
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Author: alan81   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 8:42 PM
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WOW, talk about hostile..🙄
Often the result of willful ignorance:-)
Alan
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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/11/2023 9:49 PM
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WOW, talk about hostile

And now you're the charred pot insisting the kettle is black? You are hostile and denigrating to those who don't agree with you, so satisfied with yourself as you use distorted or false "facts" to buttress your insistent assertions.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 6:28 AM
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And now you're the charred pot insisting the kettle is black? You are hostile and denigrating to those who don't agree with you, so satisfied with yourself as you use distorted or false "facts" to buttress your insistent assertions.

Shrug....I'm not the one getting all upset and name calling over another poster's pov.
Hope you have a better day today.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 8:58 AM
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Major Adams and the other Democrats who have turned anti immigrant and xenophobic might have good reason...they don't have resources to deal with it. Their cities are already crime ridden, nasty, dirty, segregated - this despite many gifts like , um, Wall Street and tourism right in the backyard.

Speaking of being open, not watching FOX, and economic opportunity.

How about we match the 10,000,000 undocumented folks in America.....

By adding 10,000,000 H1B visa workers in America - today. Now. They'll be English proficient, they'll be here legally. Surely if we are fine with 10,000,000 illegals - the SAME people advocating for that would love 10,000,000 more I.T workers, Engineers, etc right?

Either way, the cultural exchange initiated by Texas and Florida, is a small step - but a very wonderful tactic.

It should be multiplied by 5. After all, it's about economic opportunity. Mayor Adams and that Fortress New York are just being nativist.

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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 9:08 AM
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I think a poster might be right to take umbrage with the phrase "Biden's open borders".

Let's put aside that for many many years - this same faction claimed every single little thing was 'Bush's fault" and "Trump's Fault" because it was 'on their watch' and "the buck stops here' -- - all of a sudden now, under Biden they feel that's not the case.


However in this instance maybe it isn't Biden's borders.


"Don't come. Don't come" - that is what America lectured to potential immigrants with a foreign leader standing right there.


Kamala Harris said that.


Hmmmm, going to a foreign country. Lecturing their President on governance. And telling their people "dont come, dont come".

I think this administration is too xenophobic, imperial, and anti-immigrant and they need Donald Trump to teach them to be more tolerant. Trump never said that stuff....DEmocrat Harris said it.

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Author: PhoolishPhilip   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 10:41 AM
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' Their cities are already crime ridden, nasty, dirty, segregated - this despite many gifts like , um, Wall Street and tourism right in the backyard.'

It occurred to me that republicans criticize cities because they never govern them. You'd be hard pressed to find five cities with republican majorities in the city council and mayor's office.

It's interesting that wherever you find population density you also find a strong preference for Democrats in government.
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Author: landySeeSee   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 12:40 PM
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t occurred to me that republicans criticize cities because they never govern them. You'd be hard pressed to find five cities with republican majorities in the city council and mayor's office.
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Worse is being in charge for decades, and having your "citizens"...... kept in pseudo 3rd world lives.

Fix that - then criticize those NOT in charge, by your own admission.

In the meantime....

Let proponents of diversity and immigration call for 10,000,0000 high tech visas this year.

Their crime numbers will be below national average. Their kids will be average or above average in their school district test scores.

No catch and release - just plain legal and orderly.

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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 2:01 PM
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Major Adams and the other Democrats who have turned anti immigrant and xenophobic

You love these falsehoods. Just don't want to let them go. You take the bait and don't realize when you're hooked.
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/12/2023 4:57 PM
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"I think a poster might be right to take umbrage with the phrase "Biden's open borders".

Let's put aside that for many many years - this same faction claimed every single little thing was 'Bush's fault" and "Trump's Fault" "


As the person who took umbrage about "Biden's open borders", I will say you are being dishonest about my comments on Bush and Trump.

Stop lying about what I said and go back to mumbling on street corners and yelling at clouds.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/13/2023 7:44 AM
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"Stop lying about what I said and go back to mumbling on street corners and yelling at clouds."

Umm


That is yet - another angry, bitter, mean spirited personal attack by Umm. I will not respond in kind. This is part of the reason the Political Asylum board, and even subsequent boards got shut down - rightfully so :)
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Anyhow....the fact remains. Umm and others, for years on TMF said that "Bush's fault!" "Trump's fault!" -- when the opposition tried to blame Obama or Clinton - the Liberal response was "the buck stops here, don't blame the previous guy".

Easy solution: Liberals can just say "we went too far, blaming the incumbent for things that were going on well before he got there...." - and we can just discuss policy.

So, based on that logic it is Biden's open borders - -- DESPITE Vice President Harris's haughty, arrogant, xenophobic lectures to Guatemalans on their own soil.

As far as Biden's open borders - America is paying a price for immigration that stemmed from 3 sources: Greed, Political Correctness and a desire by some to finally dilute America -- NOT into a melting pot, but a mosaic and a polyglot. And they've succeeded. Languages, traditions, factions, castes, tribes are slowly arising.


Business loved the cheap labor. Affluent Liberals - who didn't encounter lost jobs or crowded classrooms due to certain modes of immigration, loved it - - mind you these same people can't stand H1 Legal immigration visas - cause then the Liberal gets the same competition and treatment as the middle class in America does.

America needs immigration.

America is served well by hard workers, creativity. people willing to sacrifice - - things that used to be American but lately thanks to culture have been watered down. The American spirit is alive - but THEY got it -- we are softening.

So I support bringing in harder workers. People who will keep pension plans solvent. Start small businesses. BUT I favor it happening 100% legally. Furthermore - it would have to be done with ONE litmus test: Is this person a plus for America - yes or no.

English proficiency. Cultural assimilation. Education levels. All should be official factors. Things like crime or entitlement - should not be tolerated and frankly, score should be kept to evaluate future applications. Yes, there are groups occupying prison in large numbers, and groups of immigrants and offspring occupying high learning institutions.

Canada, Aus, New Z, so many others employ such standards.

The Liberals who see immigration as a way to get their little Stock Portfolios greased up, and their lawns cut, and a way to attack middle America - need to stop their political correct nonsense and embrace immigration that benefits America, part of which is assimilation. These people who LOVE their segregated cities and non-diverse enclaves - love shouting "racist!" when Americans merely want assimilation. BUT - they will not say a darn thing when their precious friends in Paris enact hijab bans, and many other overt policies aimed at forcing assimilation which are far more xenophobic than anything Trumpy ever did.

I'm all for fast tracking 2-3 million immigration applications NOW.

But the right way.

As long as we do it the wrong way, it's great that anti immigrant Democrat mayors like Adams, has to face the problem his party invited. I am disappointed in DeSantis and Abbot for not quadrupling the effort.
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/13/2023 1:00 PM
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English proficiency. Cultural assimilation. Education levels. All should be official factors. Things like crime or entitlement - should not be tolerated and frankly, score should be kept to evaluate future applications. Yes, there are groups occupying prison in large numbers, and groups of immigrants and offspring occupying high learning institutions.
Canada, Aus, New Z, so many others employ such standards.


Not exactly. Canada, New Zealand, and Australia don't require English to get a work permit, although you have to show in advance that you have work. In other circumstances for Canada you need to be able to speak either English or French, and AU and NZ have exemptions for other categories, notably students, but also others.

I am not an open borders advocate, but neither do I find your rules (or attitude) particularly helpful. Two quick examples: my wife goes to a nail salon owned by a Vietnamese woman. She came here after the fall of Vietnam speaking no English and without resources (she was temporarily sponsored by a church). She now owns the salon and employs 8-10 people.

We hire a landscaping guy who came from Central America; he is married to an English speaking Mexican woman who handles communication. He started about 10 years ago with a beat-up pickup truck; he now has three *new* trucks, brightly emblazoned with his name (Jesus. Pronounced Hay-zeus) and has a cast of workers who do exceptionally good work. Is he 'illegal'? I don't know, I know he's a hard workers who has achieved success and the American dream. He is learning English, albeit slowly, but he is trying.

I apologize that both examples are cliche, but they are true. It occurs to me that people who are willing to throw everything away and try to come here are probably more motivated than the born-in-America slacker Gen-X-Y-and-Z types who sit reading their phone while supposedly 'on the clock' at some retail outlet.

I don't really know what the answer is, but I am quite sure that you don't have it, and was anyone in power listening to your 'solutions' we would be worse, not better off.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/13/2023 2:09 PM
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Well as you said, you're glad my solutions aren't there.

But - trying to start a discussion - and - from the right -admitting we NEED new people - might have been a start ;)

Status quo is more fun.....I admit.

*All* that comes with it.

Hopefully the Mayor of NYC stops being anti immigrant.

Keeping language off the table is good too - -it helps for a more cohesive nation. More languages where more Americans don't understand other Americans.

Long ago, European empires (Yes, Europe has the most blood on its hands in human history"...small Euro nations were able to infiltrate large Asian and Arabian nations - and many times, buy off the nobles and/or - pit one tribe or faction against another.

Of course, that's not happening in America.

Netanyahu and Putin know it well....as do others.

Buckle up, this is gonna be a fun ride - even more than it is now.

In the meantime - 10,000,000 H1 Visas. Now. :)
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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/13/2023 3:31 PM
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Hopefully the Mayor of NYC stops being anti immigrant.

More in line with reality......hopefully you will let go of your erroneous conviction that the mayor of NYC is anti-immigrant.
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/13/2023 5:20 PM
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Hopefully the Mayor of NYC stops being anti immigrant.

The Mayor of New York has an initiative to build 500,000 homes for low income residents, with special programs to allow immigrants to get into the program. This is not 'anti-immigrant.'

New York has more than 3 million immigrants in a population of around 8,000,000. I'm not sure how you get that he is 'anti-immigrant', except by making things up, or more likely listening to fabulist news sources which don't care about facts.

In which case never mind, because people who insist on making things up are not worth the time or effort, as I have sadly learned lo these many years on the internet.

NY Mayor and Immigrants:
https://www.amny.com/news/mayor-commissioner-of-im...
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Subject: Re: Adams Pulls The Welcome Mat
Date: 03/13/2023 9:38 PM
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"That is yet - another angry, bitter, mean spirited personal attack by Umm."

Do you think your constantly lying about me an angry, bitter, mean spirited personal attack?

You made it personal. If you don't want it personal then why did you start?

"Anyhow....the fact remains. Umm and others, for years on TMF said that "Bush's fault!" "Trump's fault!" -- when the opposition tried to blame Obama or Clinton - the Liberal response was "the buck stops here, don't blame the previous guy"."

See? There you go again. Stop lying.

People see through the performance art.
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