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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Subject: Re: Birthright citizenship
Date: 12/09/25 9:54 PM
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It is regarding children born in the U.S. of parents who were not legally present in the country at the time of the birth.

That, and only applying going forward, was what he originally said.

(1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present
in the United States and the person’s father was not a United States citizen
or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2)
when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States was lawful but
temporary, and the person’s father was not a United States citizen or lawful
permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.

(b) Subsection (a) of this section shall apply only to persons who are
born within the United States after 30 days from the date of this order.


aila.org - President trump signs executive order protecting the meaning and value of american citizenship

Now, he is trying to narrow it to only the spawn of former slaves. So the spawn of all the immigrant non-slaves who did not have their papers first, did not spawn citizens. Thus the spawn of those spawn would also not be citizens, unless their parents became citizens, and they were listed on their parent's naturalization certificate, like my father is. According to the net sifter, children had to be naturalized separately, and be issued their own certificates, starting in 1940:

1790–1906 (Old Law): Children under 21 automatically gained citizenship, but were usually not named on their father's papers.

September 1906–1922 (Federalization): The Basic Naturalization Act of 1906 created federal standards, requiring children to be named on the father's certificate for derivative citizenship.

1922–1940 (Women's Citizenship Act): Laws changed so either parent's naturalization granted citizenship; children could be listed on either or both parents' papers.

1940–Present (Child Citizenship Act): The Immigration and Nationality Act of 1940 and later the Child Citizenship Act of 2000 (effective 2001) mandated separate naturalization for children, ending the automatic derivative process and naming on parent's certificates.


What his nibs is nudging toward now, is declaring all the spawn of non-citizens, at least since 1940, non-citizens.

Steve
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