Hi, Shrewd!        Login  
Shrewd'm.com 
A merry & shrewd investing community
Best Of MacroBest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd
Search
Shrewd'm.com Merry shrewd investors
Search
Best Of MacroBest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd


The week's question
In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
Answer this questionContinue to Shrewd'mThis note won't appear again
Personal Finance / Macroeconomic Trends & Risks
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (5) |
Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝 GOLD
SHREWD
  😊 😞

Number: of 4460 
Subject: Re: Control Panel: The real economy without AI
Date: 08/04/26 12:36 PM
Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
No. of Recommendations: 12
The real economy without AI...

I have been pondering this, but also the reverse...AI without the real economy. Or at least as separate from the real economy.

Imagine you did the following
* List all of the firms that are pretty much "pure AI". Look up each one's trailing-four-quarter revenue, expenses, pretax profits (or operating profit or gross margin), and capex rate.
* List the big players that are "part AI", and find the numbers for their purely AI related division(s). e.g., the part of Amazon that is AI hosting within AWS, etc.
* Add 'em up.

Then, look at this agglomeration as if it were a single company: Cancel out all revenues and expenses that are flowing from subset to another, so you're looking only at the numbers crossing the "border" around this entire sum.
(You'd probably have to do this as trailing-four-quarters for each recent quarter end, to see how things are changing). At that point, the revenues are purely revenues from users of AI services, not other AI players.

Then: how does the future of that company look? Eliminating the circularity and seeing that the capex rate is around two orders of magnitude higher than revenues, I think the issues would be much more evident.

The issue here is that you can think of this "All AI" company as a newcomer to the world. If its profits are to support its capex and ultimately market cap, then at some point it has to have commensurate revenues and ultimately profits. How big is that number in 5-10 years? This composite company's revenue is someone else's expenditure. Where the heck are those going to come from in the real economy?

Hmm, maybe my Fable 5 subscription could do this for me...

Jim
Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
Print the post
Members reply directly to mungofitch here — and replies get answered. Reading is free; so is joining the conversation. Join Shrewd'm »
This community has written 4,454 posts about Macroeconomic Trends & Risks. The article-length ones it recommended most:
AI Tarpits · 36 recs · 2026
End of an era - profit slowdown · 36 recs · 2023
Control Panel: Trend changes in 2026 · 34 recs · 2026
From the Oregon Bay Area (a blogger) · 33 recs · 2025
Lerner Symmetry Theorem · 32 recs · 2025
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (5) |


Announcements
Macroeconomic Trends & Risks FAQ
Contact Shrewd'm
Contact the developer of these message boards.

Best Of Macro | Best Of | Favourites & Replies | All Boards | Followed Shrewds | Open Questions | Moving a community