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- Manlobbi
Halls of Shrewd'm / US Policy
No. of Recommendations: 6
Trump Pardons Jan. 6 Rioters, Part of a Flurry of Orders
In addition to granting sweeping pardons to nearly all of the 1,600 rioters charged with storming the Capitol, President Trump ordered the withdrawal of the country from the Paris climate agreement and took action on immigration policy and TikTok.
Some Law and Order POTUS, eh? But the right has been making bullshit excuses for these criminals for a long time now, so MAGA will think this is just dandy.
No. of Recommendations: 3
Some Law and Order POTUS, eh? But the right has been making bullshit excuses for these criminals for a long time now, so MAGA will think this is just dandy.
No complaints from me old Joe pardon his crime family, only laughter. Let them all fade in the dust.
The Biden family is history. Joe Biden and Dr. Jill are nobodies now.
Go to bed ges, your anger and sour grapes is getting to the point of ridiculous.
No. of Recommendations: 14
Some Law and Order POTUS, eh? But the right has been making bullshit excuses for these criminals for a long time now, so MAGA will think this is just dandy.
No complaints from me old Joe pardon his crime family, only laughter.
Yes, but MIKE told us that no one who committed violence against a person on Jan 6 would be pardoned. That was told to him to make everyone quiet down about people who attacked cops, and beat cops an Jan 6 being pardoned, but it looks like they were pardoned. Now I believe Mike read that but I'm pointing out that Mike got lied to and that the EO I saw had a list of people whose time was commuted and a paragraph after that pardoned everyone for Jan 6.
MIKE GOT LIED TO, AND HE REPEATED THE LIE TO US (he believed it though). DOPE AGREED WITH THE LIE. The odds are very good that y'all (Mike, Dope, LM, and SheepleDip) believed it. YOU GOT LIED TO ABOUT SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS WHERE POLICE WERE INJURED, AND THE INJURIES WERE INTENDED AND YOU REPEATED THE LIE TO US.
No. of Recommendations: 1
I feel this is bad for the country, I speak of the violent ones that are pardoned.
Hence.....
I LOVE IT!!!!!
Recycle them thru the bad culture.
You will be rewarded - again in the future.
No. of Recommendations: 1
Do you care to answer the question, or do I get to put an answer in your mouth as you so commonly do for others?
--Peter
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OK OK 350. Feel better now. Now that you bested me by getting me to state the obvious. Or that you had dragged that answer out of me because being MAGA I must feel differently. Maybe you are as delusional as I am evasive. <g>
No. of Recommendations: 7
Yes, but MIKE told us that no one who committed violence against a person on Jan 6 would be pardoned. That was told to him to make everyone quiet down about people who attacked cops, and beat cops an Jan 6 being pardoned, but it looks like they were pardoned. Now I believe Mike read that but I'm pointing out that Mike got lied to and that the EO I saw had a list of people whose time was commuted and a paragraph after that pardoned everyone for Jan 6.
MIKE GOT LIED TO, AND HE REPEATED THE LIE TO US (he believed it though). DOPE AGREED WITH THE LIE. The odds are very good that y'all (Mike, Dope, LM, and SheepleDip) believed it. YOU GOT LIED TO ABOUT SOMETHING VERY SERIOUS WHERE POLICE WERE INJURED, AND THE INJURIES WERE INTENDED AND YOU REPEATED THE LIE TO US. - Lapsody
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Well, since you used the internet equivalent of screaming, ALL CAPS, I felt a reply was called for.
First of all, as much as I hate to be wrong, I agree with you and take the L. I was “lied to” and I did repeat that lie to the board.
I did a lot of soul searching on how I came to hold that opinion about Trumps J6 pardon. I was still coming up empty until this morning, when I was watching NBC news DVR’ed from yesterday. Yes, I know it is hard to believe but I do follow some news besides Fox. Not close to the same volume but I do watch NBC news on a daily basis because they provide new angles on the daily news cycle, some of which was on Fox News and some not. Also NBC provides coverage on a lot of events that are not mentioned on Fox at all.
NBC was presenting its take on the outcry over the J6 pardons. They showed a brief clip of Trump speaking on Jan 7, 2021 where he said “To those engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country and to those who broke the law you will pay. That was followed by a recent clip of JD Vance answering a question a week or so before the pardons were issued. JD Vance said, “If you conducted violence on that day, obviously you should not be pardoned.”
So there is the genesis of the lie. Trumps initial Jan 7 statement made it clear, to me anyway, that he was distinguishing between violent ones who will have to pay and the non-violent ones. Then JD Vance’s recent comment seemed to re-inforce that distinction. And I assumed he was in synch with the president which ended up to not be the case.
I think that Trump made a big mistake. He made an unforced error by going too far. The outrage from all sides just distracts from rest of the America First agenda. But even more than how it affects Trump, there are some bad guys now on the street that should not be there at least until more time had been served.
One last thing about Lies. I think we throw that term around much too freely. When you call someone a liar, you are not only calling their statement wrong but are also asserting that they knew it was wrong when they said it but did it anyway in order to achieve some nefarious purpose. So called lies could have roots in a bad memory or an actual change of position based on new information. It is not always clear.
How many on this board lied when they defended Joe’s promise that he would never pardon Hunter? Did Joe lie or did he change his mind along the way. Are you a liar for believing him? I would not call you a liar unless you knew for certain from the beginning that was his intent but said it was not anyway.
This is quite different and mild when compared to genuine 100% lying for personal gain such as Blumenthal’s Stolen Valor.
No. of Recommendations: 2
Well, since you used the internet equivalent of screaming, ALL CAPS, I felt a reply was called for.
Really? I don't even know what he's raving about.
No. of Recommendations: 11
I think that Trump made a big mistake.
I appreciate and applaud your ability to acknowledge Trump's poor judgement here, unlike say, that "Other Mike" (Johnson), who said "He's made his decision. I don't second-guess those." (How scary is that?)
I would disagree with the term "mistake", or even "big mistake". To me, a mistake is more when someone makes a typo, or if applied to matters of judgement, fails to foresee some consequence, but then when it occurs or is pointed out to them, they acknowledge it and learn from it.
But Trump has had four full years to consider this, and I'm sure the ramifications and consequences have been pointed out to him a million times (if his ego would only let him hear them). He's made his choice (or his ego is completely out of control). It's no "mistake". It will be repeated. I would generously call it a "character flaw". And a very severe one. One that, when coupled with the enormous power he now wields (and tries to add to literally every day), threatens the very fabric of existing peace and stability of the world that we have known and live in in this country (and many other places around the world). I know you probably think I'm being over-dramatic here, but that's how I see it.
No. of Recommendations: 1
When you call someone a liar, you are not only calling their statement wrong but are also asserting that they knew it was wrong when they said it but did it anyway in order to achieve some nefarious purpose. So called lies could have roots in a bad memory or an actual change of position based on new information. It is not always clear.
I know this quite well and I did not call you a liar - I said you got lied to and repeated the lie to us.
"MIKE GOT LIED TO, AND HE REPEATED THE LIE TO US (he believed it though)." So I want to be very clear - you are not a liar in my book, just a little mislead. :)
No. of Recommendations: 1
I said you got lied to and repeated the lie to us.
LOL, I knew it
No. of Recommendations: 0
I did not call you a liar - I said you got lied to and repeated the lie to us. - Lapsody
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I noticed that you carefully and clearly stated I was lied to and merely repeated it. I didn't intend for my reply to imply that you did. It was a long post and I rushed to end it.
No. of Recommendations: 6
I think that Trump made a big mistake. He made an unforced error by going too far.
Like others, I respect the lengthy mea culpa.
As far as Trump goes, it appears that this is (sadly) something that stems directly from his personality - or managerial style, if you prefer. He likes big bold gestures and wants things done immediately without a lot of hemming and hawing. That's the kind way of putting it - you could also say he's impatient and lazy, and doesn't want to put in a lot of work sweating the details.
There were a lot of people who were charged/convicted in connection with J6. It would have taken a lot of time and effort to carefully vet them. It appears that he just didn't want to do that (or have it done) - he wanted to do his pardons immediately, so rather than wait to figure out who shouldn't get a pardon he just pardoned them all (note: some weren't pardons but commutations/clemency, but I'm oversimplifying for convenience).
That's just who he is, and who he'll be, as President. We're seeing it all over his EO's. His management style is not cautious or deliberate, and he's not the sort who wants to wait for study or analysis or what "experts" might think of his plans. That's going to cause his Administration some problems in the courts for some of his policy efforts....and it might cause all of us some problems as he makes moves that affect the economy, like setting tariff levels.
No. of Recommendations: 1
So well said albaby1. Thank you.
As far as Trump goes, it appears that this is (sadly) something that stems directly from his personality - or managerial style, if you prefer. He likes big bold gestures and wants things done immediately without a lot of hemming and hawing. That's the kind way of putting it - you could also say he's impatient and lazy, and doesn't want to put in a lot of work sweating the details.
There were a lot of people who were charged/convicted in connection with J6. It would have taken a lot of time and effort to carefully vet them. It appears that he just didn't want to do that (or have it done) - he wanted to do his pardons immediately, so rather than wait to figure out who shouldn't get a pardon he just pardoned them all (note: some weren't pardons but commutations/clemency, but I'm oversimplifying for convenience).
That's just who he is, and who he'll be, as President. We're seeing it all over his EO's. His management style is not cautious or deliberate, and he's not the sort who wants to wait for study or analysis or what "experts" might think of his plans. That's going to cause his Administration some problems in the courts for some of his policy efforts....and it might cause all of us some problems as he makes moves that affect the economy, like setting tariff levels.
No. of Recommendations: 3
First of all, as much as I hate to be wrong, I agree with you and take the L. I was “lied to” and I did repeat that lie to the board.
Have a rec for this one statement.
Though I am fighting hard to resist the temptation of saying "told you so"...the Felon said he was going to do it, and he did it. Oops. In telling you I was resisting the temptation, I actually said it.
