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“President Joe Biden’s re-election dreams are becoming nightmares just months before voters cast their ballots in November.

While former President Donald Trump attended the wake of slain NYPD officer Jonathan Diller, Biden was hosting a glitzy fundraiser with leftist, Hollywood elites as dozens of pro-Palestine protestors cursed his name.

“Enjoy Trump because we’re not voting for Biden ever! Enjoy Trump,” the protestors could be heard shouting.

Other activists called attendees “fu**ing losers” and “genocide supporters” as they made their way into the swanky event that was crawling with Democrats who gush over Biden.“

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2024/03/...

While former President Donald Trump attended the wake of slain NYPD officer Jonathan Diller, Biden was hosting a glitzy fundraiser ...

The family of the Capitol police officer who was killed in the Jan 6 insurrection slammed Trump for using the funeral to promote his campaign.

Police officer Brian Sicknick's father Charles Sicknick said: "He [Trump] makes sure he gets his face out there. The guy's a criminal. He's the reason my son is dead— because of the riot at the Capitol. He's a publicity hound. Trump does whatever will get him votes and helps Donald Trump. There's nothing good about this man."

Brian's brother Kenneth Sicknick said: "The fact that he states he's law and order but he sent a mob that ultimately ended up killing my brother. He has such a lack of self-awareness of what he does. He's using that officer's death as a campaign platform."

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-nypd-funeral...

Ok, now here are the facts on crime rates during the Biden administration.

Violent crime rates dropped sharply last year, including a 12% decline in homicides nationally from 2022 to 2023, according to a crime analysis by AH Datalytics, after spiking during the first two years of the pandemic.

Detroit and Chicago both invested more than $100 million for public safety initiatives, including hiring new officers, expanding mental health community violence interventions and youth intervention programs. Chicago saw a 13% drop in homicides and Detroit saw an 18% drop in 2023, it said.

Philadelphia invested in group-violence intervention and community crisis intervention, and experienced a 20% drop in homicides and a 28% decline in nonfatal shootings last year.

"Last year, the United States had one of the lowest rates of all violent crime in more than 50 years," Biden told top police officials from cities including Chicago, Philadelphia, Miami, Detroit, Buffalo, New York; Milwaukee, Charlotte, North Carolina; and DeKalb County, Georgia."

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-meets-polic...

“Violent crime rates dropped sharply last year, including a 12% decline in homicides nationally from 2022 to 2023,”

Yep, like I said, crime rate dropped during the height of the covid years, people stayed home and the crooks stayed home too.

Yep, like I said, crime rate dropped during the height of the covid years, people stayed home and the crooks stayed home too

Wrong. Peak Covid year was 2020, when Trump was president. That's the year that the crime rate surged 29%. Which means that one of the biggest increases in the US crime rate ever happened while Trump was in office. Check the facts at

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countri...

You really need better sources if you think crime dropped during the COVID years. Try looking at actual crime statics; the source data. It surged during COVID. People reacted badly to being confined to their homes. It wasn't "crooks". It was ordinary folks that were responsible for the rise. An increase in domestic violence was responsible for a chunk of that (which was mostly violence against women).

Yep, like I said, crime rate dropped during the height of the covid years, people stayed home and the crooks stayed home too

You prove yourself clueless and wrong over and over again. But that is what it takes to maintain the 'faith' in Trump. You HAVE to believe lies. You have to be willing to be a fool for a man who despises you.

crawling with Democrats who gush over Biden.“

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You mean gush over Clinton and Obama. If Joe was the only one on stage, attendance would be down 90%.

Contrast with a Trump event. Just Trump, speaking for an hour or two, unscripted, no prompter, actually entertaining the crowd as he delivers his speech. He doesn't need celebrities to attract a huge crowd, people come to see and hear him, not a produced stage show.

Time to express pity and contempt for the non-elite, un-educated deplorables who attend Trump's rally's and without whose labor the elites would starve to death in the dark.

Violent crime rates dropped sharply last year, including a 12% decline in homicides nationally from 2022 to 2023, according to a crime analysis by AH Datalytics, after spiking during the first two years of the pandemic.

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I have no reason to dispute this stat. The liberals use it all the time as a response to any accusation of rampant crime that is increasing under Biden. That response fails to explore what regular folk are afraid of when they say they are afraid of crime or that addressing rising crime is top priority. There are many examples, here a just a few...

the crazy guy menacing people on a confined subway car.

stepping over dragged out homeless encampments as you and your family move about in your daily lives

swarms of smash and grab thieves at work....

the latest thing is miscreants just walking up to women and hitting them in the face...

dangerous repeat offenders being released on the public by the courts...

None of this stuff is captured by a Homicide statistic.

Sure no one wants to be homicide victim, and good that stat is down, but these other fears are real and is the reason uneducated Trump supporters say crime is rising problem. Silly isn't it.

You prove yourself clueless and wrong over and over again. But that is what it takes to maintain the 'faith' in Trump. You HAVE to believe lies. You have to be willing to be a fool for a man who despises you.

As I said, the crime rate dropped during Biden’s fail presidency because of the covid pandemic.
Crime is on the increase in sanctuary cities.

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“COVID-19 caused a reduction in many types of crime around the world.[4] A report by USA Today on 4 April 2020 showed a decrease in criminal incidents (in America) since 15 March in nineteen out of twenty police agencies examined.[5] However, the report also noted an increase in domestic violence.[5] Some police departments are intentionally arresting fewer people to prevent potential spread of coronavirus in jails; tackling the issues in alternative ways rather than making "physical arrests".[5] Associated Press reported that in Chicago drug arrests fell 42% since the lockdowns, compared with the same period in 2019.[6] Overall, crime in Chicago declined 10% following the outbreak of the pandemic.[4] This decrease is being seen across cities globally as restrictions were increased to contain the virus.[4]
A detailed examination for one UK police force found variation in the onset of change by crime type when compared to 5-year averages.[7] Some types of crime declined immediately from ‘global pandemic’ announcement from the World Health Organisation on 11 March 2020, others later.[7] Incidence of assault was inelastic but responsive to reduced workplace mobility.
Following an increase in movement restrictions across nations, there are fewer people on the streets, causing a decrease in street crime.[8] And with a larger population staying indoors at home, thefts and residential burglaries have decreased.[9][10]”
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_of_the_COVID-...

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“Across the country, we've seen massive change brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, including a dramatic drop in the overall crime rate.

David Abrams, a University of Pennsylvania law and economics professor, has been keeping an eye on numbers across the country. The website he created details what's been happening with crime in more than 25 major cities during the COVID-19 crisis.

"People have reacted to the pandemic in all sorts of ways in decreasing economic activity," Abrams says. "They stopped going to work, they stopped driving their car. They stopped walking around the city, and crime also stopped."

Baltimore, Philadelphia, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and Chicago all have witnessed a drop of more than 30%. Violent crimes such as aggravated assaults and robberies also fell substantially.“

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/20/892418244/crime-has...

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Changes in Crime Rates during the COVID-19

“We estimate changes in the rates of five FBI Part 1 crimes during the 2020 spring COVID-19 pandemic lockdown period and the period after the killing of George Floyd through December 2020. We use weekly crime rate data from 28 of the 70 largest cities in the United States from January 2018 to December 2020. Homicide rates were higher throughout 2020, including during early 2020 prior to March lockdowns. Auto thefts increased significantly during the summer and remainder of 2020. In contrast, robbery and larceny significantly declined during all three post-pandemic periods. Point estimates of burglary rates pointed to a decline for all four periods of 2020, but only the pre-pandemic period was statistically significant. We construct a city-level openness index to examine whether the degree of openness just prior to and during the lockdowns was associated with changing crime rates. Larceny and robbery rates both had a positive and significant association with the openness index implying lockdown restrictions reduced offense rates“

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23304...

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“Has COVID-19 Changed Crime? Crime Rates in the United States during the Pandemic
“In response to the COVID-19 pandemic, state-level governments across the United States issued mandatory stay-at-home orders around the end of March 2020. Though intended to stop the spread of the COVID-19 virus, the lockdowns have had sweeping impacts on life in ways which were not originally planned. This study's purpose is to investigate the extent to which governmental responses to COVID-19 have impacted crime rates in the U.S. Compared to the pre-pandemic year of 2019, crime - as measured by calls for service to law enforcement - has decreased markedly. However, there are multiple indications that the crime drop is being driven by decreases in minor offenses which are typically committed in peer groups. At the same time, serious crimes which are generally not committed with co-offenders (namely homicide and intimate partner violence) have either remained constant or increased. As such, the crime drop appears to be hiding a very disturbing trend where homicides remain unchanged and intimate partner batteries are increasing. Since many offenders would presumably be committing less serious crimes in a non-pandemic world, we raise attention to the possibility that mandatory lockdown orders may have taken minor offenders and placed them into situations where there is rampant opportunity for intimate partner violence, serious batteries, and homicides. While crime in the U.S. appears to be down overall, this good news should not blind us to a troubling co-occurring reality - a reality that paints a dim picture of unintended consequences to public health and criminal justice finances as a result of COVID-19 lockdowns.“

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32837168/

The liberals use it all the time as a response to any accusation of rampant crime that is increasing under Biden. That response fails to explore what regular folk are afraid of when they say they are afraid of crime or that addressing rising crime is top priority.

That's because everyone always thinks crime is getting worse, everything is worse. Prices are too high, young people are disrespectful, liberals are a terrible trans visible up your Easter egg patooty. The world is going to hell in a hand basket with a machete and an AR15. Don't be steppin on no Gadsden tail rights - we, the militia, stand tall against the invasion from the south - coming to take our jobs, live for free on our tax dollars, sell fentanyl, rob banks, rape our women, and maybe pick some lettuce.

bighairymike: I have no reason to dispute this stat. The liberals use it all the time as a response to any accusation of rampant crime that is increasing under Biden....

So, you believe the statistics that violent crime is declining are accurate but in the next sentence you claim to believe there is "rampant crime that is increasing under Biden".

Sorry, but it can't be both ways.

In the early 1990s, the crime rate fell in the United States. The causes were complex — owing much to improving economic conditions and innovations in policing strategy. Following a decades-long decline, violent crime rose during the Covid-19 pandemic. In 2020, president Trump’s last year in office, murder rates climbed by nearly 30 percent and assault rates by more than 10 percent.

Those are facts.

But even in the midst of the decades-long decline in crime, between 1990 and the mid-2010s, Gallup records only two years when a majority of voters did not believe crime had risen.

Who knows why? Perhaps it's because "the crazy guy menacing people on a confined subway car" makes the news. One guy, one incident.

Or maybe it's because Fox "News" has hundreds of stories predicting caravans of migrants invading the southern border.

Or maybe it's Walgreens lying about crime in their stores -- which they admitted to doing -- or the theft rings that turned out to be run by a middle class white suburban couple, not migrants or gang members.

Or maybe it's because Trump keeps telling his cult that crime is out of control and only he can make them safe. They believe him because they're in the cult and too lazy or uninterested in learning that the facts show that violent crime rose during the Trump presidency and has begun falling during the Biden presidency.

But facts are facts.

And these are the facts: since 2021, violent crime has started to fall. As of 2022 violent crime rates had fallen by 4 percent and murder rates by roughly 7 percent since 2020. Preliminary data suggests those declines accelerated in 2023.

bighairymike: ...but these other fears are real and is the reason uneducated Trump supporters say crime is rising problem. Silly isn't it.

Yeah, it is silly because it's not true. Some people's fear is real because that's all they hear on Fox "News," from republican politicians, and from Trump: migrants or Jews are going to replace you... murderers and rapists from Mexico are flooding into the country -- Trump began his 2016 campaign with that lie -- and there are migrant pickpockets in Times Square!

But the statistics and reality are clear: crime rates are declining and we've given you the data over and over again and you dismiss it over and over again.

So, yeah, choose your old saying: "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" or "You can't fix stupid."


https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-op...

Yeah, it is silly because it's not true. Some people's fear is real because that's all they hear on Fox "News," from republican politicians, and from Trump: migrants or Jews are going to replace you... murderers and rapists from Mexico are flooding into the country -- Trump began his 2016 campaign with that lie -- and there are migrant pickpockets in Times Square! - CO

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There are lots of businesses, big and small, that are closing citing rising crime as the reason. You cite Walgreens as a counter example, but how about CVS, In and Out, Target, Nordstrom, Walmarts, and on and on and on. These closing make the headlines but there are many more smaller mom and pops that are shuttering their businesses without makimg the news.

And "the crazy guy menacing people on a confined subway car is one guy, one incident making the news" misses the point that there were 30 or 40 threatened victims on that subway car and such incidents occur daily. It got so bad that Hochul dispatched the national guard to the subway.

Also, common sense tells me that for every incident of assault that makes it into the crime stats, there are ten others that go unreported. Maybe it is not ten, but it is not zero either.

People stuck living and working in these urban hellscapes have a legitimate concern about their safety. Your side simply dismisses their fear. Do so at your voting booth peril.

But the statistics and reality are clear: crime rates are declining and we've given you the data over and over again and you dismiss it over and over again. - GF

Again, there is a lot of actual crime and fear of crime that goes unreported and is not reflected in the statistics but is reflected in reality. That also should be clear.

People stuck living and working in these urban hellscapes have a legitimate concern about their safety. Your side simply dismisses their fear.

I don't think they dismiss their fear - but they do dismiss the characterization as an "urban hellscape." As someone who lived in Manhattan in the early 1990's, the modern levels of crime are way way way below those near-record-high levels from back then.

It is certainly worth looking at why crime rates took a bounce off of their near-term lows immediately after the pandemic, and trying to address those increases. But our modern major cities are not "urban hellscapes."

Just Trump, speaking for an hour or two, unscripted, no prompter, actually entertaining the crowd as he delivers his speech. He doesn't need celebrities to attract a huge crowd, people come to see and hear him, not a produced stage show.

Trump learned how to entertain a crowd of gullible's from WWE's Vince McMahon. Perfecting fraud didn't prepare Trump to be an effective POTUS.

Long unscripted rallies were also a planned feature of another leader's ascendance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38zAGP85UnI

PS: You can fool some of the people some of the time, but......

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bighairymike: There are lots of businesses, big and small, that are closing... CVS, In and Out, Target...

Simply have a look at new business applications filed from 2022 to 2023:

Illinois -- +12%
New York -- +8.1%
Iowa -- +33.7%
New Mexico -- +20.4%
Maine -- +26.8%
Kentucky -- +20%
Washington -- +6.8%

Target, you cry? More nonsense:

Take Target’s first-ever Manhattan location, in East Harlem. With more than 100,000 square feet of selling space, the location opened more than a decade ago — long before the retailer figured out that to be profitable in big cities, it had to veer from its big-box playbook and build smaller footprints. Now, the store in a six-story shopping center is preparing to shut down.

Instead of abandoning Harlem, Target has already signed a lease to open a store less than half the size only a mile and a half away.

The closing is a “business decision to move to small-format stores.”

Target determined that a 100,000 square foot retail space was a bad business decision for today's retail marketplace and blamed theft, safety while moving right down the street to a much small footprint location.

In-N-Out closed one store.

No one is disputing that there are neighborhoods that are dealing with increases in theft, robbery, and car jackings but the suggestion that this is some national trend sweeping America is complete nonsense unsupported by facts or statistics.


https://www.uschamber.com/small-business/new-busin...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-08...

It is certainly worth looking at why crime rates took a bounce off of their near-term lows immediately after the pandemic, and trying to address those increases. But our modern major cities are not "urban hellscapes."

Heh. If you lived in a hard core progressive city, you'd think otherwise.
The BLM riots were a nightmare and so was/is the ONSLAUGHT of homeless drug camps. You didn't know what part of the city they were going to hold their marches in or what part of your neighborhood was going to be shut down. And if you asked them to keep it down, you got your head caved in:

https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-police-inv...

Yup. Not a lot of fun.

The other not so fun thing is having all your public transportation turn into fentanyl and meth repositories.

https://www.washington.edu/news/2023/09/07/uw-asse...

Researchers detected methamphetamine in 98% of surface samples and 100% of air samples, while fentanyl was detected in 46% of surface and 25% of air samples.

For other lefties reading this, I'll remind you all that the correct percentage of meth and fentanyl on buses and trains is 0%.

Heh. If you lived in a hard core progressive city, you'd think otherwise.

No, not really. As I noted elsewhere, I lived in Manhattan in the early 90's. Cities have never been, and never will be, crime-free Edens free of problems. To borrow your formulation, the correct amount of crime in any city is zero - but that doesn't mean that any amount of crime more than zero results in an "urban hellscape" (any more than it would result in a "rural hellscape," since those areas have non-zero crime as well). Which is why you can't buy an apartment in these urban areas at 1990's-era prices. Because they're massively successful economic engines with huge demand for living there. Go rent Alphabet City and see whether you'd rather live in mid-1980's East Village in NYC or today's.

Yep. 1poorlady is theist, and she occasionally goes on about how "things are getting worse, just like the Bible said". Which is complete BS (and I tell her that). But even when I tell her that crime is down, fewer people are in poverty, etc, she comes back to "things are getting worse and worse". I won't let her go without retort (and quoting data if I have it handy), but religious/conservatives are simply taught that things are getting worse, and there doesn't seem to be any way to break through that barrier of faulty information.

Of course, she sometimes mentions how bad Trump and his followers are as a sign things are getting worse (she is NOT political, but she sees how terrible he and his MAGAites are without me having to say a word**). In which case I have to say "it's not a straight line, but the trend over time is getting better in pretty much all categories".




**No, she is NOT a liberal. If she were political, I would say she is more like the Classic Compassionate Conservative. Those are becoming very rare indeed.

Heh. If you lived in a hard core progressive city, you'd think otherwise.

Murder statistics are pretty clear about this. One uses murder because it’s a statistic over which there is no dispute: either the person is dead or not. No haggling about “was that a violent crime” or “was that statistic accurate”. It’s murder.

So looking at murder, we find that those “urban hellscapes” are *significantly* less likely to have murder than those rural paradises. How much?

Well, murders in NYC are 5 per 100,000 population. In Boston, 6 per 100,000. In Los Angeles, 10.

In the great rural state of Mississippi, 24. Louisiana: 21. Alabama: 16.

Yes, you are four times more likely to be murdered in Louisiana than in New York City. Five times more in Mississippi. And so on.

https://www.rit.edu/liberalarts/sites/rit.edu.libe...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/m...

If you would like to dispute these numbers, you have my permission. But try to do so with facts, not “My Aunt Tilly says…” or “I heard about a guy who…”

And If you would like me to display the statistics on other crimes I will be happy to do that, too, but you won’t like the results. There are more violent crimes, more robberies, more rapes, more assaults in rural states than in your so-called “urban hellscapes.” But congratulations on sucking up another helping of moron juice. Your handlers are very good at their jobs.

Again, there is a lot of actual crime and fear of crime that goes unreported and is not reflected in the statistics but is reflected in reality. That also should be clear.

Fear of crime doesn't count. You may be afraid of flying, but that doesn't mean it isn't the safest mode of travel. The issue at hand is that the fear is unsupported by actual data. It is irrational.

And speculating on crime not reflected in the statistics is just that: speculation. You, nor I, have any idea how much goes unreported. But we have no reason to believe it is any more than in the past (and, likely, reporting has improved over the years as the disenfranchised -like black people- feel more included in society and that the police will help them and not hurt them). So, assuming a roughly steady rate of unreported (e.g. let's say 20%), we can be reasonably sure that as reported crime goes down that unreported crime also has decreased.

Dope1: Researchers detected methamphetamine in 98% of surface samples and 100% of air samples, while fentanyl was detected in 46% of surface and 25% of air samples.

For other lefties reading this, I'll remind you all that the correct percentage of meth and fentanyl on buses and trains is 0%.

What the hell's any of that got to do with "lefties"?

Studies in the early 1990s showed that 75% of bank notes had traces of cocaine. And fecal matter. And staphylococcus was found on 94% of dollar bills tested. And tests showed that influenza can remain active on paper money for up to 17 days.

But again, none of this has anything to do with "lefties".


https://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/ar....

Long unscripted rallies were also a planned feature of another leader's ascendance:

Very true. But the little Corporal was a bit more shrewd, and politically savvy, than Trump is. Fortunately for us. If Trump was really skilled, we'd be doomed (just like the Weimar Republic).

No, not really. As I noted elsewhere, I lived in Manhattan in the early 90's. Cities have never been, and never will be, crime-free Edens free of problems. To borrow your formulation, the correct amount of crime in any city is zero - but that doesn't mean that any amount of crime more than zero results in an "urban hellscape" (any more than it would result in a "rural hellscape," since those areas have non-zero crime as well). Which is why you can't buy an apartment in these urban areas at 1990's-era prices. Because they're massively successful economic engines with huge demand for living there. Go rent Alphabet City and see whether you'd rather live in mid-1980's East Village in NYC or today's.

I grew up in St. Louis in the 70s/80s. We used to have mob hits, car bombings and all kinds of things.

The point is this: Most of that stuff got cleaned up.

And then - in the span of 6 months in Seattle's case - a lot of that good work was flushed down the toilet. It doesn't take much to ruin a city.

When folks say "urban hellscape" they're referring to the steep decline experienced by a lot of blue cities in the wake of George Floyd.

When folks say "urban hellscape" they're referring to the steep decline experienced by a lot of blue cities in the wake of George Floyd.

But it's not that steep. Crime rates across the country - and in most major cities - are still substantially below where they were even a decade or two ago ago. For example, last year NYC had 386 murders. Not only is that vastly lower than the 2,000 plus murders per year we saw in the 1990's peak, it's also significantly lower than back during the second Bush Administration (when the annual murder total never dipped below 496). Yes, crime fell even further during the late 2010's, and plummeted during the pandemic - but NYC, like the other major American cities, is not an "urban hellscape."

If you would like to dispute these numbers, you have my permission. But try to do so with facts, not “My Aunt Tilly says…” or “I heard about a guy who…”

I wish I could say it was rare to come across those who embody Taleb's formula of Intellectual Yet Idiot but sadly, many places on the 'web prove to be incubators where such are found. PA was such a place and the constant echoing of 1 point of view turned you into the guy you are - a walking, talking corollary of Taleb: Pretend Intellectual, Yet Idiot. A classic symptom of that is the need to gratuitously insult those around you.

Get out more. It's clear that you spend too much time talking to fellow travelers, which in your case is like marinating your brain in a Béarnaise de Stupid...but I digress.

Let's ignore your limp attempt to shift the discussion to rural states and just zoom into where I live. You know, the place that's made headlines that people like you ignore.

Seattle's crime data: https://www.seattle.gov/documents/Departments/Poli...

“The violent crime rate reached a 15-year high in 2022." <--- Oh, that's not good.

What do the stats say?

OFFENSE CATEGORY OFFENSE 2022 2021 AMT CHANGE % CHANGE
VIOLENT HOMICIDE 52 42 10 24%
RAPE 281 270 11 4%
ROBBERY 1,760 1,755 5 0%
AGGRAVATED ASSAULT 3,498 3,326 172 5%
VIOLENT TOTAL 5,591 5,393 198 4%
PROPERTY ARSON 181 224 -43 -19%
BURGLARY 8,657 9,826 -1,169 -12%
LARCENY-THEFT 28,228 26,976 1,252 5%
MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT 6,920 5,324 1,596 30%
PROPERTY TOTAL 43,986 42,350 1,636 4%
GRAND TOTAL 49,577 47,743 1,834 4%

Murder up 24%.

But what about 2023?

https://komonews.com/news/local/72nd-seattle-homic...

From 52 to 72 murders. Yuck. There goes your point. And so much for the point that "The 90's were worse". Not for murder in Seattle.

Fear not, though. You can take solace in the fact that Seattle:

*Rejected its woke Mayor and elected somebody way more moderate
*Elected a Republican city attorney
*Elected a moderate supermajority on the city council

...and public safety was the reason why for all 3. A bunch of the legislature's more stupid woke legislation is getting the boot this fall when it goes on the ballot. We're starting to see crime nose over and head down in the city, and not because of proggie policies.

Fear not, though. We're not free from the grip of dumb liberals who want to wreck the community:

https://komonews.com/news/local/king-county-judge-...

Executive Dow Constantine announced during the summer of 2020 that the youth jail in Seattle’s Central District would close by 2025. He has since backed off that, calling it an ‘aspirational’ goal, and it wouldn’t happen until 2028 at the earliest.

There's a survey button in that link you can click. It's currently running at 97% for Bad Idea. Maybe you and some other here can push the Good Idea choice a bunch.


I really want you and people like you to move to San Francisco or some equivalent blue city. Just so you get to live under what you preach.

But it's not that steep.

I'd call 30 year highs steep, but that's me.

Let's ignore your limp attempt to shift the discussion to rural states and just zoom into where I live. You know, the place that's made headlines that people like you ignore.

OK, lets. (And before I start I’m sorry that you live in such a dysfunctional area. Not my fault. Could be yours, I don’t know.)

Seattle: Homicides in 2023: 3.74 per 100,000.
Mobile, AL. 20.17 per 100,000
San Francisco: 6.35 per 100,000
San Diego: 2.46

Here, a whole chart. Includes other violent crimes, rapes, aggravated assault, robberies for your listening and dancing pleasure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_State...

It’s really this simple: your thesis is wrong. You may be seeing it locally in Seattle, but the COUNTRY is not. Crime is not just down, it’s down significantly over the past 10, 20, and 30 years. I understand that statistics are not your long suit, in fact when it comes to statistics you have no suit at all apparently, but buck naked or not, you’re simply wrong.

Meanwhile, I suggest you try to do something about *your city* and not try to put the rest of the country under lockdown because of your own failings, thank you very much.

And before I start I’m sorry that you live in such a dysfunctional area
No, you're not. Let's not pretend that you don't wish for a meth camp right in front of my house.

It’s really this simple: your thesis is wrong. You may be seeing it locally in Seattle,

And here's where you fail on a few fronts. One, no one's talking about nationwide trends except for people who are trying to turn the debate into some kind of national thing when it isn't. Crime is a local phenomenon driven by policies and laws created at the city, county and state levels.

Policies and laws like this one:
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2021-22/Pd...

This is Washington House Bill 1054. It did this:

Brief Summary of Substitute Bill
• Prohibits peace officers from using chokeholds and neck restraints.
Prohibits peace officers from using police dogs to arrest or apprehend
persons.
•Prohibits law enforcement agencies from acquiring or using tear gas and
certain types of military equipment.
•Requires law enforcement agencies to adopt policies and procedures to
ensure that uniformed peace officers are reasonably identifiable.
•Establishes restrictions on vehicular pursuits and firing upon moving
vehicles.
•Prohibits a peace officer from seeking, and a court from issuing, a search
or arrest warrant granting an express exception to the "knock and
announce" rule.

I've bolded one of the provisions. Here's a though exercise for you:

What do you think the effect of this particular provision was?

Care to guess?

My "thesis" is that democrats are shit at governing and this law is partial proof. My secondary thesis is that most democrats who post on this stuff don't actually live in hard core blue areas.

One, no one's talking about nationwide trends except for people who are trying to turn the debate into some kind of national thing when it isn't.

Then why do you guys keep blaming Biden?

If you want to talk Seattle, talk Seattle. Trash your mayor or governor. LM clearly blamed Biden for the imagined surge in crime, and BHM piled-on with nationwide store closures. You shifted to local on your own. Which then leads to confusion (obviously).

Also, as noted, Seattle crime rates are a lot lower than -for example- Alabama, per the statistics linked earlier. I get that it's never fun to have crime in your vicinity. I won't say that you shouldn't be concerned because I don't live where you live. But the data don't support your contention of an urban "hellscape".

Don't know enough about WA politics and policies to comment much. However, as a general principle, I do not support the police (in any locality) obtaining military-grade weapons. Of course, I also don't support the public obtaining such weapons.

One, no one's talking about nationwide trends except for people who are trying to turn the debate into some kind of national thing when it isn't.

Except you came in mid-thread. Lurkermom and BHM were both talking about crime in major urban areas, not crime in Seattle and only in Seattle.

Truth is, Seattle seems to be something of an outlier. They're one of the only large cities that saw murders increase to near-term highs last year. Meanwhile, in the rest of the nation's large cities, murder rates fell. They're down about 15% from the near-term high in 2021.

https://counciloncj.org/year-end-2023-crime-trends...

Seattle's murder rate did go up in 2023 - but the murder rates in lots of other "blue" cities (New York, LA, Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, San Francisco and a dozen more) all fell significantly. Which strongly suggests that Seattle's experience isn't one that's common to "blue" cities with Democratic leaders generally, but something particular to that city.

But again, you came into a thread that was talking about crime in urban areas generally, not specific to Seattle - so that might be the source of you and Goofy talking past each other.

Just Trump, speaking for an hour or two, unscripted, no prompter, actually entertaining the crowd as he delivers his speech. He doesn't need celebrities to attract a huge crowd, people come to see and hear him, not a produced stage show.

Entertain? OMG. MAGAs have an odd idea of entertainment. He is just a narcissistic, bloviating ASS.

Then why do you guys keep blaming Biden?

Because democrats can't govern their way out of a wet paper bag that's on fire (because somebody soaked it in gasoline) and Biden shares the same governing philosophy as the people who passed all Teh Stoopid in places like Seattle. As for his direct contribution to crime, one needs only look at the southern border and the sanctuary policies that his brand of politicians favors.

Except you came in mid-thread. Lurkermom and BHM were both talking about crime in major urban areas, not crime in Seattle and only in Seattle.

I live here. I have first hand experience of bums punching your car and watching them harass people all day long. Plus experience in letting Antifa know "not here, boy".

Truth is, Seattle seems to be something of an outlier.

San Francisco says, "hello".

Heh. If you lived in a hard core progressive city, you'd think otherwise.

Over and over again we see right wing media lies and fear mongering regurgitated by Trumpers on this board. Sadly, it works for the media companies and for the right wing politicians.

San Francisco says, "hello".

Nope. San Francisco had one fewer homicide in 2023 than 2022....which itself was one fewer than in 2021 or 2018. The murder rate in San Francisco is half what it was in the early 2000's. Nothing like Seattle, which is apparently setting multi-decadal highs in homicide, unlike the rest of the country.


https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/homici...
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/cities/...

Very true. But the little Corporal was a bit more shrewd, and politically savvy, than Trump is. Fortunately for us. If Trump was really skilled, we'd be doomed (just like the Weimar Republic).

On the other hand, Trump has the best propaganda arm the world has ever seen. Puts Goebbels to shame. The right wing media is truly the only reason we are facing this crisis in our democracy. A POS like Trump could never have gotten so far without the support of the lying right wing media and the timidity of mainstream media.

So, Trump can be 'unskilled' and a raving idiot, but he has a whole mediasphere working for him. And a lot of very powerful elitist oligarchs who see Putin's Russia as the model that will serve their interests most efficiently.

Nope.

I was thinking of total crime there. Another framework of the Goofster's that I reject (other than his other batch of goalpost moving) is restricting things to just murder.

I was thinking of total crime there. Another framework of the Goofster's that I reject (other than his other batch of goalpost moving) is restricting things to just murder.

Also nope. You can look at a broad variety of crimes here, but they're all generally down in 2023 - and much lower than in the past. If Seattle is setting multi-decade highs in total crime as well as murder, that's not something they have in San Francisco (or New York, which also experienced broad drops in crime):

https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent...

The reason that Goofy tends to cite murder stats is as a rebuttal against the inevitable rebuttals of either unreported/underreported crimes or "quality of life" crimes. Unlike nearly all other crimes, murders are so serious and difficult to completely conceal that they're almost always reported, so they're usually the most reliable dataset for comparing crime levels across different geographies - and since there's a strong correlation between murder rates and other crime rates, they're a good proxy for overall levels of "total crime." Not perfect, of course. But if you're looking at a city that has a lower murder rate than previously, it is not newly an urban hellhole if it wasn't back then. And since nearly every city has lower murder rates than before the near-term dips (right before and into the pandemic), it's unlikely that many of our major cities are now "urban hellholes" in a way they haven't historically been.

Except, again, perhaps Seattle. Which for some reason different than most other liberal cities is experiencing multi-decadal highs in crime, including murder.

Dope1: Because democrats can't govern their way out of a wet paper bag that's on fire (because somebody soaked it in gasoline) and Biden shares the same governing philosophy as the people who passed all Teh Stoopid in places like Seattle. As for his direct contribution to crime, one needs only look at the southern border and the sanctuary policies that his brand of politicians favors.

Studies have established that sanctuary cities have less crime.

In a study published in Social Science Research, researcher Marta Ascherio shows that both property crime and violent crime decreased more in sanctuary counties than in nonsanctuary counties after 2014, when many such policies were implemented. Her findings also suggest that sanctuary practices in counties improve political integration in immigrant communities, lead to positive spillover effects, and increase overall social harmony in the areas where they are implemented.

Another: The author finds no evidence that sanctuary policies cause an increase in crime overall. These findings remain even when controlling for the effectiveness of the local government as well as other immigration policies. In addition to finding evidence of no increase in crime, there is weaker evidence that sanctuary policies may actually decrease property crime.

And another: The data are clear: Crime is statistically significantly lower in sanctuary counties compared to nonsanctuary counties. Moreover, economies are stronger in sanctuary counties — from higher median household income, less poverty, and less reliance on public assistance to higher labor force participation, higher employment-to-population ratios, and lower unemployment.

Study after study after study has established that sanctuary policies do not increase crime and actually provide economic improvements.

As for the southern border, Orange Jesus killed the strongest immigration bill brought forward in decades, and we've discussed its the ways in which it would make significant improvements to border security repeatedly here but you evidently have not been paying attention.


https://news.utexas.edu/2022/06/13/sanctuary-pract...

https://www.thecgo.org/research/sanctuary-cities-a...

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-effec...

Except, again, perhaps Seattle. Which for some reason different than most other liberal cities is experiencing multi-decadal highs in crime, including murder.

And that may very well be because of their mayor, city council, or even governor. Without looking, I'll take his word for it that they are all "blue". But generalizing to all other blue cities isn't really valid. Seattle is Seattle. Even if "blue", their leadership is still different from Phoenix (which also has a Dem mayor at the moment), or NYC, or SF.

Dope1: Because democrats can't govern their way out of a wet paper bag that's on fire

Really? And you support Trump? The most incompetent and one of the most corrupt and criminal POTUS's in our history? Were you paying any attention at all to his dumpster fire of an administration? To his sloth and utter cluelessness about running anything but his grifts? Wow.

Also nope. You can look at a broad variety of crimes here, but they're all generally down in 2023 - and much lower than in the past. If Seattle is setting multi-decade highs in total crime as well as murder, that's not something they have in San Francisco (or New York, which also experienced broad drops in crime):

Let's just...leave this here:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/lebron-james-...

California has a squatting problem and now Los Angeles Lakers star LeBron James is growing "concerned" about alleged squatters who have moved in to a $4.3-million mansion near his home.

During the COVID-19 pandemic, several states updated their rules to allow renters more leniency if they were unable to make their monthly payments. However, in states like California and Washington, this has given rise to unforeseen problems in which squatters stay on property they don't own permanently, and the homeowners lose thousands of dollars in the process.

Again, dumb laws (with obvious forseen complications) are now coming home to roost for LeBron.


he reason that Goofy tends to cite murder stats is because he wants to have a narrow snarkfest on terms he thinks he can win with. He's not interested in an actual debate; his schtick is sarcasm and drive-by shootings (post once or twice, then drive away). I happen to hold you in the highest esteem; please don't read anything into whatever I tell him. He wants to play things the way he does and thus Game Theory dictates I respond in a certain way :).

not try to put the rest of the country under lockdown because of your own failings, thank you very much. - GH

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We can and certainly will disagree over the extent and trend of crime in our country. But nowhere have I heard anybody, conservative or otherwise, say that lockdowns were any part of a solution.

Actually there has been very little discussion of the problem, since dialogue is stopped with Homicide stats.
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But nowhere have I heard anybody, conservative or otherwise, say that lockdowns were any part of a solution.

Don't mind him. He's just upset by the facts that policies fronted by politicians he supports leads to wrecked cities. I mean, who knew that banning the police from chasing people would lead to explosions in things like auto theft? Or that refusing to jail juvie defendants and returning them to the streets leads to them escalating their crime and violence?

Or that allowing addicts to haul around all the meth and fentanyl they want leads to more overdoses? Or that allowing them to camp and squat wherever tends to drive up crime in wherever they'll camping and squatting?

Who knew? People who aren't married to hard core progressive ideology, that's who. But sadly that's where their party is right now with no end in sight.

Of course, I also don't support the public obtaining such weapons.

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Vastly more people are killed by repeat offenders released back on to the streets than are killed by modern sporting rifles.

BHM:But nowhere have I heard anybody, conservative or otherwise, say that lockdowns were any part of a solution.
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Dope:Don't mind him. He's just upset by the facts that policies fronted by politicians he supports leads to wrecked cities.<.i>

Gosh, it's like WWE tag team Wrestlemania, scripted by right wing media.

"modern sporting rifles"

LOL. Is that how their described in the new Trump Bible?

Modern sport rifles with hundred round mags, bump stocks... Are all y'all anxiously awaiting the new Sandyhook Commemorative model? Fun for the whole family.

Except you came in mid-thread. Lurkermom and BHM were both talking about crime in major urban areas, not crime in Seattle and only in Seattle.

In my OP on this thread I made no mention of crime in major urban areas, only Trump attending the funeral of the fallen Police Office while Biden was having a glitzy fund raiser and angry protesters outside saying they were never voting for ‘him’ again.

Poster mechinv went on a tangent of J6 and making claims crime went down during Biden’s early years in office and whatnot.

I replied in subsequent posts crime went down due to the covid pandemic because people stayed home including the crooks.
I gave four very credible sources backing up my claim the reason why crime went down during Biden’s early years of covid.

Interesting the left went quiet on that fact.

Actually there has been very little discussion of the problem, since dialogue is stopped with Homicide stats.
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Both sides need to be dealing with reality or the discussion won't be fruitful.

Actually there has been very little discussion of the problem, since dialogue is stopped with Homicide stats.
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Both sides need to be dealing with reality or the discussion won't be fruitful. - Lapsody

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Yep, totally agree.

Another framework of the Goofster's that I reject (other than his other batch of goalpost moving) is restricting things to just murder.

Uh, I provided a link to statistics including rape, robbery, aggravated assault, and property crimes including arson, burglary, larceny theft, and motor vehicle theft .

You know, statistics . I have long known your ability to reconcile fact with your political beliefs, but I did not know reading comprehension was also a short suit.

Here is it again, as I said earlier, “for your listening and dancing pleasure.”

List of United States Cities by Crime Rate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_State...

I have long known your ability to reconcile fact with your political beliefs...

If Trumpers couldn't deny facts and reality, their heads would explode from the cognitive dissonance.

Interesting the left went quiet on that fact.

Why is that interesting? I don't think many people dispute that Covid had an impact on crime rates, both to reduce them during the early part of the pandemic (when a lot of activity was reduced) and to increase them in the latter part (when people returned to their previously interrupted activities). Covid was a massive event. Although I think your timing is a little off, because crime rates peaked in 2021 (the first year of the Biden administration).

But national crime rates never increased anywhere close to prior highs in the early 1990's - or even the levels of the 2000's or early 2010's. And they've been coming back down in recent years, and for most crimes the rates in 2023 have returned to the levels of 2019. One notable exception is auto theft, but that's largely because of the problems with Hyundais and Kias, not social issues or policing practices:

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/04/1173048646/hyundai-...

Whatevs, Goofster. It takes a special kind of sociopathology to get off on randomly insulting people, but you do you.

>>>Let's ignore your limp attempt to shift the discussion to rural states and just zoom into where I live. You know, the place that's made headlines that people like you ignore. - Dope<<<

OK, lets. (And before I start I’m sorry that you live in such a dysfunctional area. Not my fault. Could be yours, I don’t know.)

Seattle: Homicides in 2023: 3.74 per 100,000.
Mobile, AL. 20.17 per 100,000
San Francisco: 6.35 per 100,000
San Diego: 2.46

Here, a whole chart. Includes other violent crimes, rapes, aggravated assault, robberies for your listening and dancing pleasure. - GH

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_State...


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Nice chart, ten recs, face it Dope, you have been vanquished.

Seattle: Homicides in 2023: 3.74 per 100,000.
Mobile, AL. 20.17 per 100,000
San Francisco: 6.35 per 100,000
San Diego: 2.46

Yep, right there in the chart, murders per 100K in the fifth column, Seattle, 3.74; Mobile 20.13 (GH typo as 20.17): San Fran 6.35

What I don't see, that the ten recs people apparently do, is that this snapshot says anything about the trend under Biden or any time frame for that matter.

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Then there is this, the data is from 2019

>>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The following table of United States cities by crime rate is based on Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reports (UCR) statistics from 2019 for the 100 most populous cities in America that have reported data to the FBI UCR system.<<


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Then there is this. the rankings "represent an irresponsible misuse of the data" and that it "fails to account for the many conditions affecting crime rates."

>>In November 2007, the executive board of the American Society of Criminology (ASC) went further than the FBI itself, and approved a resolution opposing not only the use of the ratings to judge police departments, but also any development of city crime rankings from FBI Uniform Crime Reports (UCRs) at all. The resolution opposed these rankings on the grounds that they "fail to account for the many conditions affecting crime rates" and "divert attention from the individual and community characteristics that elevate crime in all cities", though it did not provide sources or further elaborate on these claims. The resolution states the rankings "represent an irresponsible misuse of the data and do groundless harm to many communities" and "work against a key goal of our society, which is a better understanding of crime-related issues by both scientists and the public<<

Nice chart, ten recs, face it Dope, you have been vanquished.

LOL! From the same guy who went on this soliloquy earlier:

Murder statistics are pretty clear about this. One uses murder because it’s a statistic over which there is no dispute: either the person is dead or not. No haggling about “was that a violent crime” or “was that statistic accurate”. It’s murder.

...and now, of course, he's running away from this earlier attempt to narrow the debate while claiming that he wanted the wider on ALL ALONG!

There's dishonesty, there's sociopathology, and then there's a few people who post here. It's just baked in the cake.

https://www.kuow.org/stories/seattle-passes-grim-m...

Homicides increased in Washington by 96% between 2019 and 2022.
Violent crime across the state went up 8.9% in 2022.
In Seattle, 2022 marked a 15-year high in violent crimes (homicide, rape, robbery, assault). That year, the city saw its violent crime rate rise from 729 per 100,000 residents, to 736 per 100,000.

When you live under a blue hegemony, you pay the price. Hopefully, folks like him get to experience it one day.

Vanquish Dope?

LOL

Since decades of TMF - many Righties (myself for sure) get caught up in this or that, go our own ways, etc.

Dope1 is the Rambo of the TMF Right and he lobs intellectual firepower at you people that frankly, other than the google jockey - - most of you are not equipped to handle.


Geez.

The big picture: The Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), a national think tank, recommends that police chase fleeing suspects only in cases of violvent crimes and when there is an "imminent threat" of a suspect committing another violent offense.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) identified 455 fatal crashes involving police vehicle pursuits in 2020, according to a 2023 PERF study paid for by the NHTSA and the Department of Justice.

The big picture: The Police Executive Research Forum (PERF), a national think tank, recommends that police chase fleeing suspects only in cases of violvent crimes and when there is an "imminent threat" of a suspect committing another violent offense.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) identified 455 fatal crashes involving police vehicle pursuits in 2020, according to a 2023 PERF study paid for by the NHTSA and the Department of Justice. - Lapsody

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I recently saw a news item on the network that shall not be named about some PD on the East Coast that was rolling out a product to make police chases safer.

The product was a launcher that attached to the front of a police car (or Prowler for fans of Fargo). The police car pulls up behind the perp car and shoots a GPS Tracker projectile that sticks to the back of the perp car. The police car can then back off and track the perp car from a distance for as long as it takes. Cool use of technology I thought.

Mike...I didn't say "sporting rifles". I said "military-grade weapons". Sporting rifles typically don't have large magazines and high cyclic rates. And, in reference to the police, armored cars and such are a bit over the top. They should be spending the money on more officers, more training of those officers (that DOESN'T involve teaching them that the public is the enemy**), better public outreach. Even something as simple as walking a beat has been shown to increase positive attitudes towards the police, and reduce crime.




**I saw a program about that, wherein a popular training program run by an independent consultant trains the cops that we (the public) are exactly that: the enemy. A threat. Which makes cops more twitchy in their trigger fingers.

**I saw a program about that, wherein a popular training program run by an independent consultant trains the cops that we (the public) are exactly that: the enemy. A threat. Which makes cops more twitchy in their trigger fingers.

I was in LE for nearly 30 years. Admittedly not in a high crime situation. But I had the requisite training and annual refreshers and LOTS of firearms training and firearms qualifications. You better believe that this training primes you to be quick on the trigger. The military learned after WWII, and the evidence that most troops did not target the enemy, that there are techniques that train people to be better killers and police use these techniques now.

So, yes, 'twitchy' trigger fingers is a problem.

Here is an excellent book titled "On Killing" about the problems of getting humans to be efficient killers of their fellow humans and some of the consequences that follow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Killing

**I saw a program about that, wherein a popular training program run by an independent consultant trains the cops that we (the public) are exactly that: the enemy. A threat - 1pg

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That is wrong if literally true. But, it could be spin on more benign training about reacting to the sudden dangers that present themselves in everyday policing.

A bigger problem is attracting and retaining a sufficiently sized police force at all.

The police need the support and respect of the politicians and justice system too. It IS demoralizing to arrest the same repeat offenders day after day. When DA's refuse to charge lower crimes, then criminals are emboldened. Obvious mental health cases are left on the street to predate on society. Sanctuary city policies are returning dangerous immigrants to our streets. The people including the police see all of this as simple indifference to law and order. Who would want to be a cop working in an environment where you can't rely on the support of your employer.

While we are at it, there are bad cops that need to be weeded out for sure. One thing that hurts Police image and credibility is when a controversial arrest or shooting occurs, video of the event is withheld for weeks or months and by the time the public sees it, minds have been made up and wild speculation has driven racial acrimony and mistrust to ever higher levels.

I was really disturbing, actually. The program featured numerous clips from the guy's seminars. He travels the country giving these seminars to LE (for a fee, of course). And his basic message is "everybody is a threat; if you want to stay safe you can't hesitate". Which results in a lot of unarmed people getting shot.

Of course we want the police to be safe, and they do need to be able to pull the trigger when needed. This guy was teaching that when in doubt, shoot. (Oversimplified, but that was the basic message.)

Military special forces are really good at making efficient killers. Sort of necessary for their job, so I get that. But I don't think we want our police to be SEAL teams eliminating potential threats.

I remember when I was a lot younger, we were playing laser tag in a local park after dark. Mostly a bunch of 20-somethings. Apparently, someone was freaked out and called the police. Two cars and three cops showed up. They had their hands on their weapons, but didn't draw, and called us over. When they saw the laser pistols and detectors that we were wearing, they visibly relaxed. We were also VERY careful because at that time there were a lot of police shootings involving laser tag players (cops thought the weapons were real). It was a little tense, but they showed the restraint they should have, and everyone went home safe.

Thanks, brother :)

Goofy wrote:
Yes, you are four times more likely to be murdered in Louisiana than in New York City. Five times more in Mississippi. And so on.

How did you come to pick Mississippi and Louisiana as your representative rural trump states?

Could it have been cherry picking?

From your own wiki list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_State... we find

Boise Idaho 0.9 murders per 100,000 population
Bunches of towns in Texas, Florida, at 2.5 per 100,000.

These are red states. All with much lower murder rates than the blue cities you cited against your cherry blossom Mississippi and Louisiana picks.

Of course the real answer is... oh never mind. How is that even relevant on a board like this?

R:

How did you come to pick Mississippi and Louisiana as your representative rural trump states?

I just picked two that are particularly egregious, and where the complaining about New York City seems the loudest. If you would like to look at other Red States ratios, be my guest

 Its[NYC’s] 2022 homicide rate of 6.0 per 100,000 residents compares favorably to the 
rate in the United States as a whole (7.0 per 100,000) and to rates in much more violent 
cities such as St. Louis (64.4 per 100,000 residents) and New Orleans (53.3 per 100,000).
 *Number of reported crimes per 100,000 population. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_Ci...(53.3%20per%20100%2C000).&text=*Number%20of%20reported%20crimes%20per%20100%2C000%20population.

Since the prevailing wisdom on Fox and is commonly believed among its viewers, wouldn’t they be surprised to find that the murder rate in NYC is actually below the national average? Let me know the next time you see that factoid mentioned in the Right Wing media.

How is that even relevant on a board like this?

Uh, it’s a US Policy board. Crime is a frequent topic in the US legislature and in State legislatures. A significant part of taxes goes to fighting, preventing, and solving crimes. Wouldn’t it be good if we directed the dollars to the places where the problem is? I dunno, that’s kind of logical, at least to me.

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