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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/12/2023 8:18 AM
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Podcast and transcript available. I listened to the podcast - disturbing and thought provoking and on topic. Moral confusion, anti-semitism, Islamophobia, religious fundamentalism.

“The problem is religious certainty.“

THE BRIGHT LINE BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL
https://www.samharris.org/blog/the-bright-line-bet...

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Author: WatchingTheHerd HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/12/2023 9:08 AM
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Reminds me of the line from an address by Supreme Court Justice Learned Hand:

The spirit of liberty is the spirit that is not too sure it is right.


WTH
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/12/2023 11:59 AM
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Goldwater made a similar observation. He said you can't negotiate or compromise with a religious zealot ("preacher", I think he called them). Because they are absolutely convinced they are right, and that god told them so. When those people get into power, bad things happen.

(A very loose paraphrase of what he said.)
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/12/2023 1:21 PM
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“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.”
― Barry Goldwater

But this is the one I remember most:



“There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerful ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus Christ, or God, or Allah, or whatever one calls this supreme being. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I'm frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me ... that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A, B, C, and D. Just who do they think they are?”

—U.S. Sen. Barry Goldwater, R-Ariz., Congressional Record (Sept. 16, 1981). Born Jan. 1, 1909; died 1998.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/12/2023 1:25 PM
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Yep. Barry was my senator. I didn't agree with him on everything, but was a no-nonsense guy. He said it like he saw it (refreshing!), and recognized that you had to compromise to get things done.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/12/2023 2:09 PM
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I didn't agree with him <Goldwater> on everything, but was a no-nonsense guy.

I didn't follow him as closely since the headlines primarily focused on his more radical ideas.

Did he strike you as an honest guy? A straight shooter?

It would be refreshing to have some right wing representation on this board that was honest, that didn't chronically cite the lying liars that shamelessly dominate right wing media.

Apparently Trump attended a UFC fight last night with the iconic liar who was fired by Rupert Murdoch's company that owes its success to lying.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ufc-29...
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Author: AdrianC 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Sam Harris - The Bright Line Between Good and Evil
Date: 11/14/2023 8:16 PM
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Jerry Coyne has a piece about Sam’s podcast:

https://whyevolutionistrue.com/2023/11/14/sam-harr...
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