The whole point is to have chats. It gets frustrating when, after showing people their information is unreliable, they go right back to those same sources. Hard to resist the snark (though I try). I do agree it is important to see the concerns of others so you can see where they are coming from. Fear (of whatever), socio-economic, civil rights, etc. And we should be able to talk about it instead of scream at each other. I lose interest when the screaming starts.

The Swiss have a very high gun ownership rate. They also have mandatory safety courses, background checks, and -I think?- psych evals. This contributes to them having almost no shootings, and I don't remember the last time I heard of a mass-shooting there. They do it intelligently. We sell firearms at Walmart (or at least we used to). You can't keep the guns away from the "crazies" unless you identify the crazies, which requires more than a casual check of criminal history. I think most gun owners (and NRA members) agree with a lot of this, but the extremists among them seem to dictate policy.