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As the kids say: I know I voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party, but I didn't think it would eat MY face.


SNIP ‘The whole thing is screwed up’: Farmers in deep-red Pennsylvania struggle to find workers

They’re pushing lawmakers to move faster on a farm labor solution, even as the president cracks down on immigration.

TIOGA COUNTY, Pa. — As House Agriculture Chair G.T. Thompson prepares to introduce legislation aimed at easing the farm labor crisis, farmers in the Pennsylvania Republican’s district are hoping he’s heard their cries that they need more help right now.

In Tioga County, where President Donald Trump won 75 percent of the vote in 2024, farmers are losing patience with the White House’s promise of a quick solution for farm workers. Their urgent need is highlighted by stories like those of a multigenerational dairy farm that sold off all its dairy cows because the owner could not find workers and another where a farmer’s job listings have received no responses.

Farmers in the rural region near the New York border say those stories are not unique.

“The whole thing is screwed up,” said John Painter, a three-time Trump voter who runs an organic dairy farm in Westfield. “We need people to do the jobs Americans are too spoiled to do.” SNIP

Well, Dope, LM, and Wilton, proceed to the nearest farm and volunteer - it's the least you can do.

The paragraph in that article that caught my eye was this one:

“I think in G.T.’s heart, he would like to fix it, and I think there’s a lot of people in Congress that would like to fix it,” Painter said. “But the big reason why nobody fixes it is because it’s a big political bombshell, and both parties can use it against the other one.”

So, no, he’s not sorry he voted for Trump. He doesn’t find fault in the Republican House Agriculture Chair G.T. Thompson. Likely not his party either. This farmer (Painter) will sing Trump’s praises into bankruptcy.

"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he's been fooled"

So, no, he’s not sorry he voted for Trump. He doesn’t find fault in the Republican House Agriculture Chair G.T. Thompson. Likely not his party either. This farmer (Painter) will sing Trump’s praises into bankruptcy.

You have a point. There was a stereo speaker business where there was an attempt to unionize. The Japanese were using a US contractor to make speakers in SoCal, looked at it, and moved it to Mexico. The union boys would never admit that the attempt to unionize forced the move and the contractor had to shut down.

The union boys would never admit that the attempt to unionize forced the move and the contractor had to shut down.

That scenario does present a problem; keep on working for crap wages, enduring crap treatment, or bring management to the table to bargain for a better deal. If management closes the plant, are the workers really worse off? If the pay and treatment was really bad, they would have quit and gone to work elsewhere, anyway. There are companies known as "swinging doors" because, no matter how bad the economy is, they are always looking for new hires, because they can't retain anyone.

Steve

It won't be long before that "school to prison pipeline" will be extended to the "school to prison to forced labor pipeline" courtesy of the 13th Amendment.

That scenario does present a problem; keep on working for crap wages, enduring crap treatment, or bring management to the table to bargain for a better deal. If management closes the plant, are the workers really worse off? If the pay and treatment was really bad, they would have quit and gone to work elsewhere, anyway. There are companies known as "swinging doors" because, no matter how bad the economy is, they are always looking for new hires, because they can't retain anyone

Yahh, he had a couple of hundred employees and ran shifts. He tried to make his own speaker, but flopped and shut it down. He ran high volume manufacturing and couldn't transition to producing his own, he had no brand or name. I listened and nothing remarkable. But the Union boys never admitted that there unionization efforts caused the Japanese to move their business to Mexico. Unintended consequence.

But the Union boys never admitted that there unionization efforts caused the Japanese to move their business to Mexico.

Realistically, with Mexican production workers paid a fraction what USians are paid, for the same work, there is no amount of pay cut the USians could have taken, to be competitive with Mexican labor, and still make enough to live.

I have told the story before, about the appliance plant in Greenville, MI, that was bought by Electrolux. Electrolux demanded the union workers take a pay cut, or production would be moved to Mexico. The workers took the pay cut Electrolux demanded. After a couple years working for short pay, Electrolux finished making it's plans, and moved production to Mexico anyway.

From the Google net sifter:

The average nominal manufacturing wage in Mexico was around $4.10 to $8.08 per hour as of May 2025, with recent reports showing a slight decrease from a recent high of $5.50 to $8.50 in late 2023 and early 2024. This figure can vary significantly by region and skill level, with areas near the U.S. border and skilled positions generally commanding higher wages

Steve

But the Union boys never admitted that there unionization efforts caused the Japanese to move their business to Mexico.

Realistically, with Mexican production workers paid a fraction what USians are paid,

Very true, but you seem to think that counters the union gambit, it doesn't. The contractor was paying the going rate for Southern California, and may have had some illegals working too. The Unionization effort caused the Japanese concern, they came down and looked at the contractor's operation, and decided to move the operation to Mexico. Back then in Mexico, if you had employee disputes, you didn't have to go to Mexican courts, you could go to international courts and bypass the bribe system.

If you add in a Union in the US, there's an extra layer of management you add in to deal with the Union. Mexico got better at turning out quality goods also. The Japanese were using a USian contractor to get past some problems and decided to deal with Mexico where the only problem is quality control.

Well, Dope, LM, and Wilton, proceed to the nearest farm and volunteer - it's the least you can do.
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Not that it matters to a MAGA KellyAnne Conway like you.

But please recall, it was George W Bush who supported a temporary guest worker program. I was fine with that and still am.

Furthermore I've RECENTLY sai here -- I thought we were going to start with the criminals. Then go to the social service spongers. I did NOT think we'd be starting with people just looking for honest work at Home Depot parking lots, or people working in farms.

And no, I won't be at the farm. I hope the "fresh vegetables" go to shit and you have to enjoy some good canned processed ravioli :).

Lambo, why then do I need to volunteer at a farm?

Funny. I drive by a multi-generation farm each morning.

And right now i'm looking at hte spot where Washington crossed the Delaware.

Care to have a real conversation on immigration lambo? Now that i've shown that your characterization of my immigration stance is wrong?

But please recall, it was George W Bush who supported a temporary guest worker program. I was fine with that and still am.

The problem I had was the specifics of how the Bush program would have worked, making the migrants the equivalent of indentured servants. Each person had to have a job lined up, before entry to the US, so the program would only help "JCs" who had the means to have a recruiting office in Mexico. The person was then stuck with that employer, for the duration of his work visa, no batter how badly he was treated. If he left the job that he was allowed in to work, he would be immediately deported.

But the problem the MAGA crowd would have was the people would still be brown.

Steve

I thought we were going to start with the criminals. Then go to the social service spongers. I did NOT think we'd be starting with people just looking for honest work at Home Depot parking lots, or people working in farms.

This is part of your continued unrealistic performative thinking. Trump has to be perceived as performing on his promises there, because he has a bunch of stuff that he cannot perform on. It was easily foreseeable that he would go after the low hanging fruit - those easiest to catch, and would not worry to much about legality. We're simply pointing out to you that this is a result of your wishes and your vote. We just didn't know the exact shape it would take. You, as I see it, are simply back pedaling and using that as a defense because you fucked up and you know it. Your vote was to RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

I thought we were going to start with the criminals.

That would be more than the total migrants needed at any one time. Many MAGA having to do REAL WORK for once. Whoda thunk THAT? They didn't.... With Spankee in the front row.

why then do I need to volunteer at a farm?

If you are a MAGA, then you are a self-admitted criminal. Go work on the farm.

And right now i'm looking at hte spot where Washington crossed the Delaware.

So what? I have been there, and so on.

Care to have a real conversation on immigration lambo?

Immigration is imperative to keep the US from falling further behind the rest of the world. Without it, the US would not exist as it does today. Native US Indians might prefer that, as all the illegal immigrants killed a lot of the Native US Indians in order to steal their land and resources. When do you intend to "self deport", per Spankee? Never? WHY? LOL !!!

Your vote was to RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

Haven't had Kraken-chow in over a week....

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