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Charlie Sykes calls it a “hostile corporate takeover of the federal state”

And that’s as good a description as any.

The fight for freedom is not led by the richest man in the world at the head of a corporation with the greatest number of federal contracts, and supported and assisted by other billionaires of likeminded “libertarian’ disposition.

Their only interest is in their own freedom to loot the country from the rest of us.

heir only interest is in their own freedom to loot the country from the rest of us.
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You had your freedom.

And time and again you GAVE it to W Bush - and now, Trump, AGAIN.

So, he will let you know what freedom you keep now.

I suspect you'll keep most of your freedoms.

But some things - are changing.

Get over that 1950's Beaver Cleaver stuff Jedi

Their only interest is in their own freedom to loot the country from the rest of us.

Like a spider sucking the life out of its prey, these greedy narcissists will take what they want and leave a husk of a once great nation for the rest of us.

Their only interest is in their own freedom to loot the country from the rest of us. = Bill

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No doubt Trump, Musk, and the DOGE team are or soon will be looting the country. But I can't figure out how they are doing it.

With your superior insights, help me understand just a little more about how the looting you say is going on is accomplished. Here are two questions. I don't expect you to have many details but any insight you can provide on either one will help me and others recognize the ongoing looting threat posed by Musk, Balz, and Trump.

What exactly is the "loot" in this case comprised of?

How is this looting actually being accomplished?

For example, Truck loads of Gold are being hauled from Fort Knox every few days and loaded onto secret ships who take the gold to secret locations out of the country. I know this isn't the case but the example is intended to clarify the two questions, "What is being looted?" and "What is the DOGE team doing with the loot after they have looted it?"

For example, Truck loads of Gold are being hauled from Fort Knox every few days and loaded onto secret ships who take the gold to secret locations out of the country. I know this isn't the case but the example is intended to clarify the two questions, "What is being looted?" and "What is the DOGE team doing with the loot after they have looted it?"

Wow! this is the makings of a great suspense movie!

The Trump, Musk, DOGE Heist!

greedy narcissists will take what they want - ges

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Remind me, what have these greedy narcissists been seen taking?

No doubt Trump, Musk, and the DOGE team are or soon will be looting the country. But I can't figure out how they are doing it.

Step 1: Get access to the Treasury Payment system.

No doubt Trump, Musk, and the DOGE team are or soon will be looting the country. But I can't figure out how they are doing it.

Step 1: Get access to the Treasury Payment system. [ AW

That plan doesn't seem to provide enrichment to team DOGE. Are there other steps that you are aware of?

For example, Truck loads of Gold are being hauled from Fort Knox every few days and loaded onto secret ships who take the gold to secret locations out of the country. I know this isn't the case but the example is intended to clarify the two questions, "What is being looted?" and "What is the DOGE team doing with the loot after they have looted it?"

It’s a fairly comprehehensive and obvious.

First on the level of taxation- tax policies that keep taxes reduced for the rich- increasing deficits which lead to cuts in programs that benefit everyone else


Second- tariffs, which increase prices on everyday goods, and open up the window for special treatment of Trump favored countries and producers (Pay me 20 million in cryptos and I will exempt you from paying the tariff.)

Third- Trump will soon be playing favorites among his oligarchs. He’s already doing this with Musk (“we have to treat our billionaires very well!), and Elon has been running roughshod over the federal government- even gained access to Treasury payment system…… why did he do that? (See your note above re: Ft. Knox)


Then there is Trump’s crypto scheme. Put that together with Trumps stated aim of establishing a Sovereign wealt fund (and stashing it with cryptos) and you have all sorts of possible schemes to line his own pockets, as well as the pockets of his family and favored oligarchs- all at the expense of Uncle Sam, whose initials are US.

His scams during his first term were penny ante to what he can do now. Using the Secret Service as a piggy bank to fund the bottom lines of Bedminster and Mara Lago will pale in comparison to what he seems likely to do now. And this time he’s made sure there are fewer people around him who will be disposed to blowing a whistle or putting a stop to it.

There is no end to the sorts of schemes a dictator will employ to rape his own country, so your feigned innocence in asking that question is pretty stupid, because you’ve SEEN the many ways that dictators impoverish their own countries. There’s really no secret here.

And now we have a president who has been removing the guardrails and impdiments that stand/stood in the way of his attaining absolute power. He has a compliant party that has majorities in both houses, a compliant Supreme Court, a cowed press (in general), and cowed billionaires who dominate America’s information space, and an attack dog Elon who is busy disassembling the federal government in an operation that is illegal and unconstitutional as hell (in spite of Dope’s constant repetition that it isn’t).

That plan doesn't seem to provide enrichment to team DOGE.

Mike, at your earliest convenience, please send me all your credit cards, checks (if you use them), and your bank account routing and account numbers.

That way I could show you a real life example of how it would work.

First on the level of taxation- tax policies that keep taxes reduced for the rich- increasing deficits which lead to cuts in programs that benefit everyone else - Bill

That doesn't answer either of the questions, "What is being looted?" and "What is the DOGE team doing with the loot after they have looted it?"

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Second- tariffs, which increase prices on everyday goods, and open up the window for special treatment of Trump favored countries and producers (Pay me 20 million in cryptos and I will exempt you from paying the tariff.) - More Bill

Seems low payoff and complicated but I will grant that it is possible. You did identufy the loot, "crypto payments" and what the DOGE team does with the loot, "The crypto goes onto Trumps crypto wallet.

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Third - Trump will soon be playing favorites among his oligarchs. He’s already doing this with Musk (“we have to treat our billionaires very well!), and Elon has been running roughshod over the federal government- even gained access to Treasury payment system…… why did he do that? (See your note above re: Ft. Knox) - More Bill

That you believe that my absurd example about gold being hauled off is just jaw dropping but since you offer it, I will admit that you identified the loot, "Fort Knox Gold" and what the DOGE team will do with the gold, "Haul it to a port and ship to a secret location out of the country." That seems unlikely to me but it is your example so I will play along. Complete this sentence, "TPS can be used to successfully loot gold from Fort Knox by......

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Then there is Trump’s crypto scheme. Put that together with Trumps stated aim of establishing a Sovereign wealt fund (and stashing it with cryptos) and you have all sorts of possible schemes to line his own pockets, as well as the pockets of his family and favored oligarchs- all at the expense of Uncle Sam, whose initials are US.

His scams during his first term were penny ante to what he can do now. Using the Secret Service as a piggy bank to fund the bottom lines of Bedminster and Mara Lago will pale in comparison to what he seems likely to do now. And this time he’s made sure there are fewer people around him who will be disposed to blowing a whistle or putting a stop to it.

There is no end to the sorts of schemes a dictator will employ to rape his own country, so your feigned innocence in asking that question is pretty stupid, because you’ve SEEN the many ways that dictators impoverish their own countries. There’s really no secret here.

And now we have a president who has been removing the guardrails and impdiments that stand/stood in the way of his attaining absolute power. He has a compliant party that has majorities in both houses, a compliant Supreme Court, a cowed press (in general), and cowed billionaires who dominate America’s information space, and an attack dog Elon who is busy disassembling the federal government in an operation that is illegal and unconstitutional as hell (in spite of Dope’s constant repetition that it isn’t - Final Bill

That all seems rather speculative and generalized to me, things he might do or could do or just an accusation such tearing down America, losing sight of the identifying the actual loot. being looted. Again, what is it that your last point accuses Trump of actually stealing, something that has cash value and can be secretly converted for Trumps personal use. I will give you Mar-a-Lago provided the rates were elevated for no legitimate reason, but please identify the looting that makes jacked up room rates "pale in comparison to what he seems likely to do now". "Seeming likely" sounds speculative to me, is there any actual looting you can identify?

>That plan doesn't seem to provide enrichment to team DOGE.<

Mike, at your earliest convenience, please send me all your credit cards, checks (if you use them), and your bank account routing and account numbers.

That way I could show you a real life example of how it would work. - AW

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So correct me if I am wrong, but your analogy seems to say, "Trump and DOGE will pay personal expenses and purchase expensive luxury goods using TPS to pay for them with funds drawn from the US Treasury." Is that the looting you say is underway?

That you believe that my absurd example about gold being hauled off is just jaw dropping but since you offer it, I will admit that you identified the loot, "Fort Knox Gold" and what the DOGE team will do with the gold, "Haul it to a port and ship to a secret location out of the country."

When I mentioned his access to the payment system of the US Treasury, then facetiously asked “why did he do that?” and then parenthetically added (see your example: Ft. Knox)………… I failed to make my meaning clear, so let me do that now:

If Musk has control of the US Treasury payment system, why would he need a hundred trucks, a ship or two and a secret location where he can stash 6000 tons (assumed) of Ft. Knox gold?

All he needs is his finger to tap a computer key, instantly transferring billions of fiat dollars in an encrypted transmission to an offshore account, and then in the second step also performed with his middle finger, making a billions dollar purchase of crypto?

That’s one (but not the only) concern we have about Musk gaining access to the Treasury payment ststem

So correct me if I am wrong, but your analogy seems to say, "Trump and DOGE will pay personal expenses and purchase expensive luxury goods using TPS to pay for them with funds drawn from the US Treasury." Is that the looting you say is underway?

Let me ask you a question, Mike.

What are the possibilities for extreme fraud (greater than any fraud we’ve ever seen before! Sir! You are a genius!) when an unelected tech billionaire and untold numbers of his incel keyboard warriors have hacked access to the US Treasury Payment System? As well as forced access to all of the internal controls?.

Really! What concept of honesty and system of accountability are you defending?

Or is it simply your position that anyone should be able to hack the system?

All he needs is his finger to tap a computer key, instantly transferring billions of fiat dollars in an encrypted transmission to an offshore account, and then in the second step also performed with his middle finger, making a billions dollar purchase of crypto? = Bill

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Thanks Bill for clarifying. While not knowing how plausible your scenario is, I am trying to understand the basis for the various looting boogeymen that drives so much anxiety among the liberals. It seems to me the crypto seller would then have a very large check to cash, one so large his bank is not likely to accept. A thousand checks for $1M each would be almost as problematic. But I can at least perceive your basis for this particular demon so thank you for a straight answer.

Third- Trump will soon be playing favorites among his oligarchs.

Putin is loving this! Trump is turning our democracy into a kleptocratic state run by oligarchs, in the image of Russia. Corporatism, or to be old-fashioned, let's just call it fascism.

BHM: That plan doesn't seem to provide enrichment to team DOGE.

AlphaWolf: Mike, at your earliest convenience, please send me all your credit cards, checks (if you use them), and your bank account routing and account numbers.

That way I could show you a real life example of how it would work.

Me: Are you shitting me, Mike!?

So correct me if I am wrong, but your analogy seems to say, "Trump and DOGE will pay personal expenses and purchase expensive luxury goods using TPS to pay for them with funds drawn from the US Treasury." Is that the looting you say is underway?

Personal expenses and luxury goods? Are you kidding? You need to step outside the box and think a LOT bigger than that.

Trump and Musk have shown to be two of the greediest people on Earth and have acted as if they are above the law.

What makes you think, given the control they now have over the world’s largest pile of money, that they would all of a sudden have a ‘come to Jesus moment’ and act any differently than they have in the past?

Or is it simply your position that anyone should be able to hack the system?

The unshakable faith that the MAGA crowd has in their utterly corrupt and criminal leader is astounding. How can one not see it as a cult?

I'm 76 years old. Never in my life could I have imagined such a bizarre dismantling of our Republic at the hands of a failed business man and half-assed TV celebrity. It really does seem like a nightmare one cannot wake up from.

But that is at least part of the appeal to Trumpers: blind, stupid hatred of, and revenge on, bogeymen that they've been brainwashed into believing are hurting them.

Putin is loving this! Trump is turning our democracy into a kleptocratic state run by oligarchs, in the image of Russia. Corporatism, or to be old-fashioned, let's just call it fascism.

I’m beginning to settle on the term “techno-fascism”. The algorithms determine which human beings are valuable and which ones are not.

Of course the algorithms are written by tech-bro humans.

If you don't qualify, buttons will be pushed and you will be relegated to the realm of outer darkness and gnashing teeth (without access to your bank or financial accounts)

I’m beginning to settle on the term “techno-fascism”.

Yes, that is a perfect phrase for it. Credit to you if you coined it.

What are the possibilities for extreme fraud (greater than any fraud we’ve ever seen before! Sir! You are a genius!) when an unelected tech billionaire and untold numbers of his incel keyboard warriors have hacked access to the US Treasury Payment System? - Bill

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Hack is a scary word isn't it. AFAIK, access was granted through normal request procedures, no one on from DOGE secretly hacked in. But it does happen,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2025/01/0...

FBI Investigates As U.S. Treasury Attack Confirmed

Good info at the link, such as the role of "BeyondTrust" a third party security provider used by the Treasury Dept.

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Really! What concept of honesty and system of accountability are you defending? - Bill

My concept is most people are honest but there needs to be serious consequences for serious criminal behavior.

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Or is it simply your position that anyone should be able to hack the system? - Bill

Of course not.

MAGA- don’t forget what High Priest Tech Bro, His Excellency Elon Musk has said about and to you:

“Go fuck yourself in the face!”

I’m beginning to settle on the term “techno-fascism”.

We are now in a techno-fascist proctocracy.

Thanks Bill for clarifying. While not knowing how plausible your scenario is, I am trying to understand the basis for the various looting boogeymen that drives so much anxiety among the liberals.

Heh. Because democrats are already doing this, that’s why. They don’t want any competition!

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