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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 10:55 AM
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https://www.thefp.com/p/when-mike-johnson-knew-joe...

“Can I ask you a question? I cannot answer this from my constituents in Louisiana,” Johnson recalled telling Biden. “Sir, why did you pause LNG exports to Europe? Liquefied natural gas is in great demand by our allies. Why would you do that? Cause you understand we just talked about Ukraine, you understand you are fueling Vladimir Putin’s war machine, because they gotta get their gas from him.”

Biden, according to Johnson, was stunned. “I didn’t do that,” Biden said. Johnson responded, “Mr. President, yes you did. It was an executive order like three weeks ago.” Biden continued to deny that he paused the LNG exports. At that point, Johnson suggested that the president ask the president’s secretary to print out the executive order, so the two could read it together.

Biden then recalled that he had signed an executive order, but it only called for a study on the effects of LNG. Johnson was firm. “Sir, you paused it, I know. I have the export terminals in my state. I talked to those people in my state, I’ve talked to those people this morning, this is doing massive damage to our economy, national security.”

In this exchange, Johnson said he realized that Biden was not lying to him. “He genuinely did not know what he had signed,” Johnson said. “And I walked out of that meeting with fear and loathing because I thought, “We are in serious trouble—who is running the country?” Like, I don't know who put the paper in front of him, but he didn’t know.”
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 10:56 AM
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And remember, every left winger in here insisted that Biden had his full mental acuity. And insisted he was running the country and that everyone else was wrong.
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 11:05 AM
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" And remember, every left winger in here insisted that Biden had his full mental acuity. And insisted he was running the country and that everyone else was wrong.'

You left out, and they insisted he WOULD BE the Dem nominee.
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Author: Lambo   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 11:06 AM
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every left winger in here insisted that Biden had his full mental acuity.

Not paying attention to Dope on the subject is not the same as insisting Biden's really 35 years old.
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 11:10 AM
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If only Obama, and Club 401K Liberals hadn't talked Biden out of running in 2016.

They lost a chance to beat Trump but instead, they again were out of touch with the country, they helped Trump win.

The rest - is history.

Biden was a better candidate than Hillary not to mention, I think he'd have been more with-it some years ago.

In the end, I'll still take an American, a pro America Biden, versus woke America-sucks Kamala.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 11:10 AM
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You left out, and they insisted he WOULD BE the Dem nominee.

Yup. We told the, that the people who really run the democrat party would never let Joe run and that it would be Kamala instead…

…and they still try to insist they get everything right. You’d think that many of them would just take a seat, but that’s not how they roll.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 11:12 AM
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Not paying attention to Dope on the subject is not the same as insisting Biden's really 35 years old.

And yet.
I was right. Still am.

You people? 100% wrong.

Statistics demand that at least 1 of of you had at least an inkling that Biden was mega senile but my experience with PA left wingers is that they tend to be…somewhat -2 sigma on the “has a clue” curve.
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 12:13 PM
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You mean the insurrection-supporting Mike Johnson who tried to use the extremist “independent state legislature theory” (that even this right-wing SCOTUS hasn’t bought. Yet.) to overturn how citizens voted in the 2020 free and fair election of Joe Biden?

You mean the Mike Johnson, who to this day, is an election denier when his side lost even though there wasn’t one court in the country that found any voter fraud (except a few MAGA Republicans who got caught voting for Trump twice)?

You mean the Mike Johnson who traveled to Mar-a-Lago groveled before Trump on blended knee to beg him to stay as the House leader (and I thought that white stuff on Mike’s lips was mayonnaise)?

You mean the Mike Johnson who removed Mike Turner as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, as ordered by Trump, because Turner was a staunch NATO supporter who has aggressively pushed for U.S. aid for Ukraine (Turner being an extremely rare bird these days, a Republican with a partial spine).

You mean the Mike Johnson who has to write his name on the bottom of his shoes so he can be identified in case Trump stops short and we want to know who got his head stuck up Trump’s ass?

That Mike Johnson?

On a scale of 1 to 10, Mike Johnson’s credibility and and trustworthiness is -100.

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 12:20 PM
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That Mike Johnson? - AW

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Yep, that Mike Johnson.

Doesn't it make your Trump anxiety disorder more itchy to focus on things that don't matter?

Suggestion, call him a racist, and see if that makes you feel better.

My prediction, it will not.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 12:21 PM
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You mean t

I mean the Speaker of the House.

And here we have a 3-sigma Biden Denialist entering the chat. Welcome.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 12:23 PM
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Doesn't it make your Trump anxiety disorder more itchy to focus on things that don't matter?

Suggestion, call him a racist, and see if that makes you feel better.

My prediction, it will not.


Nope.

The grace period for these guys to get over the election loss and adjust to their new dosage levels of Xoloft or high voltage is over. It’s time for them to face reality amd stop lying to themselves about what they’ve been observing for the last several years.

It’s time for them to embrace reality again. And boy, is reality going to hit starting Tuesday.
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 2:16 PM
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And yet.
I was right. Still am.


No, you're not. At least, not if you're saying that the article you posted shows that Biden was "mega-senile," as you put it.

Being President involves absorbing a firehose of information, every day and on thousands and thousands of unrelated subjects. Constantly being asked to make decisions on matters you may have very few details about except what you're being briefed right in that moment. There is no way a President can ever have in their head, at any given moment, all the information that would be useful to making a decision at the moment they make it. There is no way a President can ever have in their heads every detail of every decision they've made in their term - or even in the last three weeks.

And the magnitude of the job means that mistakes will always be made - not massive mistakes, but informational mistakes. An aide might fail to include a particular element of a bill or EO while summarizing to the President; the President might misread or overlook a provision in a bill or EO when perusing it themselves; a President may not appreciate the consequences of a particular sentence or provision of a bill or EO. Etc.

In my own line of work, I deal with state government session. For many (if not most) significant pieces of state legislation that get passed, in the next year's session there's a "glitch" bill. The glitch bill corrects all the things that the scores of legislators, legislators' aides, agency heads, and governor's aides missed about the bill they passed.

That doesn't mean all those people are "mega senile." It doesn't mean the legislators and governors aren't really in charge. It just means that sometimes you sign off on something without realizing it does something that you didn't want it to do.

To give one last example - does your OP mean that Mike Johnson is mega-senile? Because the EO didn't pause LNG exports. It paused the processing and approval of new permits so that DOE could do a study on the impact on climate change. It did not, as Johnson says in the article, "Sir, why did you pause LNG exports to Europe? Liquefied natural gas is in great demand by our allies. Why would you do that? Cause you understand we just talked about Ukraine, you understand you are fueling Vladimir Putin’s war machine, because they gotta get their gas from him." Johnson's characterization is wrong. Exports of LNG to the EU continued.

Should we worry about Mike Johnson's mental health? That in this interview, he couldn't accurately remember the provisions of that EO? An EO that he said he printed out and read over with the President on that exact point? An EO that was on a topic of vital concern to his constituents and foreign policy? How damaged must Mike Johnson's mental acuity be that he doesn't know what he read? Who is making the decisions for Mike Johnson!!!

The answer is, of course, that we shouldn't conclude that Mike Johnson is mega-senile because he failed to remember what the EO actually said. We should simply realize that being the Speaker of the House is an impossibly demanding job, with gazillions of details to constantly be managing and remembering, and it's hardly unusual for a Speaker to misremember the details of any particular thing off the dome. And, of course, the job of President is even more demanding than that.....
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 2:35 PM
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Gosh, I didn’t realize that posting some facts would get the WYNOTBOYS* crowd so upset,

You might want to consider getting your meds lined up.

Over the next 4 years I will be writing about lots of facts that will get you very upset.

I’d say I’m sorry, but I’m not.


*Write Your Name On The Bottom Of Your Shoes
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 3:07 PM
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And yet.
I was right. Still am.

You people? 100% wrong.


OMG, OMG, OMG - you're not going to believe this. It gets even better.

You see, I went to look up the specifics of the Executive Order that Mike Johnson was talking about. The one that banned LNG exports to the EU. I wanted to see what it said, exactly, to figure out if it was reasonable that Biden didn't remember signing it.

And you know what?

It doesn't exist!!!

Yes, that's right - the Executive Order that Biden's failure to remember signing led Mike Johnson to have deep concerns about his faculties? No such executive order happened. No such EO existed. Which is why Biden's insistence that he didn't sign an EO pausing LNG exports to Europe was right, and it was Johnson that was wrong. The DOE did announce a pause in processing new LNG export permits in early 2024, but it wasn't an EO - so Biden wouldn't have signed it. At most he might have been briefed on DOE's policy change, but it never would have taken the form of one of an EO that Biden would have signed a few weeks earlier.

Johnson insisted to Biden that he had signed an EO. That it worried him that Biden didn't know what he had signed, because (of course) EO's are a big deal, and only a few dozen are signed each year (as opposed to policy calls by the agencies and not the President, which happen all the time). And yet it was Johnson who was completely incorrect. Biden's failure to remember signing an EO banning LNG exports wasn't a sign of Biden's failing faculties - it was a sign of Johnson getting his facts completely wrong. On supposedly a matter of immense importance to his constituents and our foreign policy.

OMG - surely this means that Mike Johnson is mega-senile! That Mike Johnson has never really been in charge of the House! Who is the real Speaker of the House?!?!

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-docum...
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 3:18 PM
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Johnson insisted to Biden that he had signed an EO. That it worried him that Biden didn't know what he had signed, because (of course) EO's are a big deal, and only a few dozen are signed each year (as opposed to policy calls by the agencies and not the President, which happen all the time). And yet it was Johnson who was completely incorrect. Biden's failure to remember signing an EO banning LNG exports wasn't a sign of Biden's failing faculties - it was a sign of Johnson getting his facts completely wrong. On supposedly a matter of immense importance to his constituents and our foreign policy.

OMG - surely this means that Mike Johnson is mega-senile! That Mike Johnson has never really been in charge of the House! Who is the real Speaker of the House?!?!


Brilliant research, albaby1.

100 recs if I could.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 3:24 PM
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No, you're not. At least, not if you're saying that the article you posted shows that Biden was "mega-senile," as you put it.

Incorrect premise, which negates the rest of your post.

I’ve been telling for years that Biden was senile and not up for the job. You folks contended that he had all his marbles, choosing to believe the White House spin.

It’s fascinating that you’re holding on to the gaslighting. Why?
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 3:27 PM
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And, in Dope1’s defense, he didn’t give a date about this, so it still could happen.
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Author: Lambo   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 3:32 PM
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And, in Dope1’s defense, he didn’t give a date about this, so it still could happen.


Only for two more days, then Biden can't sign any EOs, so Dope takes an L.

Albaby's research abilities are great.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/18/2025 3:35 PM
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And yet.
I was right. Still am.

You people? 100% wrong.


Once again, Dope, you are shown to be WRONG. Will you admit it? I suppose it's just a necessary trait of MAGA/Trumpers: living in a fantasy world created for them by the RW media. Otherwise the cognitive dissonance would kill them.

Thanks albaby1
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 01/18/2025 3:41 PM
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Albaby's research abilities are great.

And Dope's aggressive and wrongheaded arguments are astonishing. Facts and truth are Dope's enemies and he will never give up attempting to slay them.

As long as Dope stays in the RW media echo chamber, he can feel cossetted and safe no matter how erroneous his beliefs are.
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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
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Over the next 4 years I will be writing about lots of facts that will get you very upset.

As the Washington Post used to say: Democracy dies in Darkness.

Facts are the light that will keep our democracy from dying.

I - and I hope many others - will join you in the recitation of facts.

--Peter
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Who is the real Speaker of the House?!?!

[waving hand excitedly]
Ohh!! OOHH!! I think I know!

Donald Trump.
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Now THAT'S funny.

(Ya gotta laugh to avoid crying...)
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Who is the real Speaker of the House?!?!

De facto? The Felon. Since at least when he was able to kill the bipartisan immigration bill while holding no title in government whatsoever.
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I - and I hope many others - will join you in the recitation of facts. - Peter

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As do I. And the facts I want see most of all is how sausage has actually been made for far too long in DC. Shining light on the practices that have become normalized is one of the best tools for the new Admin to effect change. Example, the ridiculously low occupancy rates of Federal Buildings in DC.

Just bring it out in the open where the public can see it, and let common sense outrage by citizens and taxpayers do the heavy lifting. That is what DOGE is all about.
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I’ve been telling for years that Biden was senile and not up for the job. You folks contended that he had all his marbles, choosing to believe the White House spin.

It’s fascinating that you’re holding on to the gaslighting. Why?


Because you're wrong.

Someone can be a poor choice to run for President again and not be senile. It's not binary - that Biden has to be either as sharp as he was fifty years ago or he has to be senile and thus "never in charge."

This little anecdote is a perfect example of how people who hold enormously complex jobs with dealing with massive numbers of different issues can make mistakes. Mike Johnson is completely in the wrong here. This was supposedly a critical issue for him, and he kept falsely insisting to the President that he had signed an EO when none existed. Yet you're not saying that Mike Johnson is senile and not up for the job.

I don't believe that Biden was senile in January 2024. I don't believe he's senile now. I also don't believe that he would be up for serving a full four year term starting on Monday, and I'm glad he withdrew from the race. Because there's a huge range between "good choice to start a term as POTUS" and "senile."
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
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Someone can be a poor choice to run for President again and not be senile.

Uh, huh.
Wow. I think you folks are the last people in the country that think Biden’s all there.
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
Date: 01/19/2025 1:29 AM
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>>Someone can be a poor choice to run for President again and not be senile.<<

Uh, huh.
Wow. I think you folks are the last people in the country that think Biden’s all there. -Dope


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Just yesterday, all there Biden added the 28th amendment to our constitution.
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Just yesterday, all there Biden added the 28th amendment to our constitution.

It’s reached the level of Sad, honestly, how these folks just want to cling to a Presidency that never was.
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"Someone can be a poor choice to run for President again and not be senile." - Albaby

""Uh, huh.
Wow. I think you folks are the last people in the country that think Biden’s all there."


This is why it is useless at debating with Dope. He is literally too stupid to even know when he has lost. He made a post that was riddled with factually incorrect information, and he used that false information to reach a conclusion. Then when it is pointed out to him that the information he uses as the basis for his conclusion is incorrect, he doesn't address how silly he looked posting yet another post filled with inaccuracies, he instead just ignores all of that and still insist that his conclusion is correct and only fools think otherwise.

Facts literally do not matter to him. He is going to reach his conclusion regardless of the facts. How can anyone have any serious debate with someone when facts do not matter to them?
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"I - and I hope many others - will join you in the recitation of facts. - Peter

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"As do I. And the facts I want see most of all is how sausage has actually been made for far too long in DC. Shining light on the practices that have become normalized is one of the best tools for the new Admin to effect change. Example, the ridiculously low occupancy rates of Federal Buildings in DC.

Just bring it out in the open where the public can see it, and let common sense outrage by citizens and taxpayers do the heavy lifting. That is what DOGE is all about."
BHM

This is hilarious. Like most nutter stuff it is exactly backwards.

Mike, you are not driven by facts. You are driven by outrage. DOGE is all about presenting you with false "facts" or information taken out of context to drive your outrage so your political masters can do stuff that go against your best interest and take advantage of you. You demonstrate this over and over here. You constantly get outraged over something based off of false information fed to you.

Why do you constantly let people take advantage of you?
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Subject: Re: Biden was never in charge
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Why do you constantly let people take advantage of you? - sano

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Because I can rely on benevolent liberals such as yourself, who are eager to step in and protect me from my ignorance, by force if necessary.
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Because I can rely on benevolent liberals such as yourself, who are eager to step in and protect me from my ignorance, by force if necessary.

In what ways have liberals used force to protect you from your own ignorance?
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In what ways have liberals used force to protect you from your own ignorance?

His 12th grade teacher made him read a chapter on human evolution!
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In what ways have liberals used force to protect you from your own ignorance?

Hahahahahahahha! The left is the party of collusion with regards to censorship.
Then there’s the whole “take the jag or we erase you from society” thing.
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Hahahahahahahha! The left is the party of collusion with regards to censorship.
Then there’s the whole “take the jag or we erase you from society” thing.


Haha yourself.

In what way was force applied?

Be absolutely specific rather that the usual frightspeak.
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President Biden was indeed in charge, and elected fair and square as the only Democrat - who by being a non America hating Democrat - BEAT Donald Trump.

FOX? Trump?

Nope.


It was Pelosi, Schumer, Obama, and the Gutless Wonder Sheeple and Club 401K that pushed out Biden.

And then they helped trump beat Woke Kamala.
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I’ve already told you. People lost their livelihoods while the left cheered bureaucrats drunk on power.

The first step in admitting you have a problem is to hit rock bottom. The left isn’t ready for that yet; there’s still years of delusions you folks need to wake up from.

Maybe around Vance’s or DeSantis’ 2nd inauguration…
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In what ways have liberals used force to protect you from your own ignorance?

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To name a few, limiting my choices as to the type of vehicle I can drive, preventing me from attending religious services (not me personally), placing me under house arrest with no due process, never ending attempts to restrict, then eliminate my 2A rights.
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Just bring it out in the open where the public can see it, and let common sense outrage by citizens and taxpayers do the heavy lifting. That is what DOGE is all about." BHM

No. DOGE is much more about consolidating power among the oligarch class with Putin...I mean Trump...at the head. Corruption is where this is clearly leading.

If you think Putin's Russia is the new paradigm for paradise then I guess your support for Trump makes sense in some weird way. But good luck with that.
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I’ve already told you. People lost their livelihoods while the left cheered bureaucrats drunk on power.

Are you describing right wing threats, doxxing, stochastic violence, and right wing politicians making laws criminalizing abortions and going after “woke” corporations like DeSantis going after Disney?

Lots of heat in your words. But very little light
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Because I can rely on benevolent liberals such as yourself, who are eager to step in and protect me from my ignorance, by force if necessary.

OH, you poor baby! The victimhood of the right is so false and so pathetic, but it keeps you under the thumb of your oligarch billionaire controllers.
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Love the made up liberal terms like “stochastic” this or that. Do you people realize that “stochastic” processes are random in nature?

Like I said. You need to hit rock bottom before your delusions can even be addressed. Meantime, you’ll keep helping us win elections.
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To name a few, limiting my choices as to the type of vehicle I can drive, preventing me from attending religious services (not me personally), placing me under house arrest with no due process, never ending attempts to restrict, then eliminate my 2A rights.

Their Great White Father syndrome has come full circle: it’s just minorities who are too dumb to tie their shoes without a democrat doing most of it for them, it’s everyone.

They’re the party of governmental overlordship and yet they accuse of it. As I said: delusional.

Sadly, as the country moves on and fewer and fewer people care what they think or say they’re going to start lashing out.
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Because I can rely on benevolent liberals such as yourself, who are eager to step in and protect me from my ignorance, by force if necessary.

Interesting, now you’re accusing Trump of being a benevolent liberal!


"I said, 'Well, I’m going to do it, whether the women like it or not,'" Trump said. "I’m going to protect them."
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So we should just have open borders and open season on American women. At least somebody on the left is able to admit that’s the goal.
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So we should just have open borders and open season on American women. At least somebody on the left is able to admit that’s the goal.

You can’t fix stupid.
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I’m just happy at least one of you can start down the path of recovery.

Maybe you can be a beacon for the other cray-crays here.
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To name a few, limiting my choices as to the type of vehicle I can drive, preventing me from attending religious services (not me personally), placing me under house arrest with no due process, never ending attempts to restrict, then eliminate my 2A rights.

This is where you and I are going to disagree about the legitimate right of the state to protect its citizens.

I realize that I just tossed a flashbang grenade into the room with that statement, and while there are legitimate concerns that can be raised,

-addressing issues like energy independence and climate change….

-addressing the threat to society's health posed by deadly pathogens…


And addressing society’s right to protect itself against gun violence….

Are NOT activities that represent any sort of unacceptable grab for power, but DO represent the legitimate exercise of power by elected officials carrying out the desires of a majority of citizens.

And at the end of the day, here you are. You probably have a decent vehicle or two in your garage. You live in Texas, so I’m pretty sure it’s exactly the vehicle you wanted and were able to afford.


You survived the pandemic (you are alive, after all… thank God for vaccines) and your experience of restrictions- well… maybe they left you pissed off, but pandemic quarantines are never fun- their sole aim is to keep the greatest number of people alive.

And at the end of the day- your 2a rights have only expanded over the past several decades, well beyond anything that even you probably imagined thirty years ago.

I well remember conversations with friends in Texas thirty years ago. They were convinced back then that we were on the precipice of having all our guns grabbed. It never happened. And it still hasn’t happened.

But there’s a problem- and that problem literally became clear to me in Texas 30 years ago…

I attended the annual gun show that was held back then in the old Astrodome. As I was leaving, three guys in their 20’s, their faces and necks covered in gang tattoos walked out the door and past the security guards. In EACH of their arms were cradled at least three semiautomatic rifles- Belgian FALs, AR-15s, etc. etc.

Does a free society have the right, in fact the obligation, to insist on background checks for people who wish to purchase firearms?

Not only yes, but hell yes.

Do you feel that current gun laws have rendered you incapable of hunting whatever wild game you wish to pursue, or incapable of mounting a defense of your own home or person?





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Are NOT activities that represent any sort of unacceptable grab for power, but DO represent the legitimate exercise of power by elected officials carrying out the desires of a majority of citizens.


And looking back, would you do Covid the way we did it all over again?

Because I wouldn’t. Neither would most people. Our policies have borked a generation of young kids.

Do you feel that current gun laws have rendered you incapable of hunting whatever wild game you wish to pursue, or incapable of mounting a defense of your own home or person?

Yes, not that your question is relevant.
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Love the made up liberal terms like “stochastic” this or that. Do you people realize that “stochastic” processes are random in nature?

As a term, it is usually used to describe the random distribution of data points within a certain number of standard deviations from the mean. In other words, though the individual data points are random, in aggregate, they form a pattern.

Whenever Trump identifies a particular individual as an enemy or someone who has spoken unkindly of him, threats, intimidations and even violent attacks are committed by random people. It’s a pattern.

And that’s why it’s called “stochastic violence”.
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So we should just have open borders and open season on American women

We don’t have open borders and I have no idea what “open season on American women” refers to.
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We don’t have open borders and I have no idea what “open season on American women” refers to.

Oh! I know, I know the answer! (wildly waving my hand)

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”
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Oh! I know, I know the answer! (wildly waving my hand)

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”


Wasn’t exactly where I thought this argument might be going…. but it’ll do… :-D
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Wasn’t exactly where I thought this argument might be going…. but it’ll do...

What argument? Your opponent was just throwing out logical fallacies (e.g. strawmen and some form of ad absurdum). You have to spend all your time saying "that's not what I said", instead of arguing the point. Which is pointless. If someone can't argue honestly, then you're just banging your head against a wall. Which is why I've mostly disengaged.
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And looking back, would you do Covid the way we did it all over again?

Looking back, and assuming I was in some position of authority, I cannot say.

Why? Because I wouldn’t have the advantage of hindsight. I’d just be one shlub among many shlubs, doing my best to respond to a situation that was evolving hour by hour.

But here’s what I hope I would be guided by- the data. Is something we’re doing working or not working? And even if it’s working, is it beginning to cause it’s own set of issues that were not anticipated?


I think public health officials did the best they could under the circumstances, especially in the early days when a vaccine wasn’t available and they were dealing with the constraints imposed by an administration that was guided more by its own internal political consensus rather than the broader public health consensus.
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They were convinced back then that we were on the precipice of having all our guns grabbed. It never happened. And it still hasn’t happened.


This is one of the ways they control low info people like Dope.

We can't get even the least effective gun control laws passed. Guns confiscated? Ain't going to happen except by an authoritarian regime which in this country would almost certainly come from the right, not the left.

During Bill Clinton's administration the folks in San Juan County, Utah, just down the road from where I live, were sure that the ATF was on the way to confiscate their guns. They even circulated a rumor that ATF agents disguised as burglars were breaking into gun owners homes and stealing their guns! The rumor went that the ATF agents had made it as far as the Mississippi and were headed west. Such stupidity!

So the local county commission decided that the only recourse for defending their 2A rights was to require every male of 18 years of age or older to join a local militia, feeling that that would be the best way to foil the attempts to take away their 2A rights.

I am not making this shit up. The local Monticello newspaper even ran a front page article with a big bold headline about men having to join the militia.

Such stupidity.
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We don’t have open borders and I have no idea what “open season on American women” refers to.

Perhaps a reference to Trump's 'grab 'em by the pussy' behavior?
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liberals such as yourself, who are eager to step in and protect me from my ignorance, by force if necessary.

One final thing before I leave this discussion, Mike.

It’s not about protecting you from your own ignorance, though if I see you about to throw gasoline on a charcoal fire that you think just went out, I may say something to try to convince you it’s a bad idea.

Most essentially, it’s about protecting everyone else from your ignorance.

You have the sovereign right to do stupid shit- except when that stupid shit endangers others.

So do all the stupid shit you want. Just do it downwind from everyone else where the sparks won’t burn down our houses.


Don’t worry. After the flare up dissipates, we’ll take the charred husk of your body and give it a decent burial.

It’s the least we can do.
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Love the made up liberal terms like “stochastic” this or that

We're on an investment board. The term stochastic terrorism was developed for the risks of terrorism for insurance companies by Gordon Woo, an Academic Catastrophist. Abstract from 2002.

Abstract

Traditionally, terrorism risk has been priced based exclusively on the relationship between supply and demand in the insurance market, with no basis in actuarial principles. This article discusses how the tragic events of September 11, 2001, have irrevocably changed the market for terrorism insurance, since terrorism has become a U.S. catastrophe risk. The author states that since insurers seek to quantify risk distributed over several months (versus a period of only a few days), quantitative assessment of terrorism risk may be achievable. The article proceeds to address the challenge of quantifying terrorism risk, and ultimately suggests that developing quantitative terrorism risk models may provide a foundation for securitizing and trading terrorism risk. The author introduces three examples of potential alternative risk transfer instruments for terrorism risk: 1) a catastrophe bond triggered by workers' compensation claims from extreme terrorism‐related events; 2) a catastrophe bond to cover life insurers from losses related to an attack employing a weapon of mass destruction; and 3) a contingent financing instrument triggered by a terrorism event whose natural buyers are financial short‐sellers.

Not a "liberal" term.
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As a term, it is usually used to describe the random distribution of data points within a certain number of standard deviations from the mean. In other words, though the individual data points are random, in aggregate, they form a pattern.

Whenever Trump identifies a particular individual as an enemy or someone who has spoken unkindly of him, threats, intimidations and even violent attacks are committed by random people. It’s a pattern.

And that’s why it’s called “stochastic violence”. - Bill


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Another thing that connects Trump to his base is that he speaks plainly in their language and would never use a term like "stoichastic violence" to explain his position.
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Another thing that connects Trump to his base is that he speaks plainly in their language and would never use a term like "stoichastic violence" to explain his position.

Correct. He would never use language that implies that his relationship to the violence is causal.

He just talks about the scum and vermin and allows the self-appointed exterminators free reign.


As added incentive, he may even promise a pardon or to pay their legal fees.
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Another thing that connects Trump to his base is that he speaks plainly in their language and would never use a term like "stoichastic violence" to explain his position.

When you’re right, you’re right, Mike.

We don’t need none of that stinking “stochastic violence” crap here. Just “speaking plainly.”

“The guards are being very gentle with him,” Trump said. “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you that.”
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When you’re right, you’re right, Mike.

We don’t need none of that stinking “stochastic violence” crap here. Just “speaking plainly.” - AW


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“The guards are being very gentle with him,” Trump said. “I’d like to punch him in the face, I’ll tell you that.”

Yep, agree or not, you know what is being said without having to go to a dictionary. Like when Biden said this,

"They asked me if I'd like to debate this gentleman, and I said 'no.' I said, 'If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him.'"
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Another thing that connects Trump to his base is that he speaks plainly in their language and would never use a term like "stoichastic violence" to explain his position.

Yes, we know, the LIE FACTORY said y'all don't want to think, you want a good fight or a good show.
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As a term, it is usually used to describe the random distribution of data points within a certain number of standard deviations from the mean. In other words, though the individual data points are random, in aggregate, they form a pattern.

A “pattern” described by statistics. In other words something random in nature, not tied to anything prescribed…

…which is the exact opposite of an organized thing.
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We don’t have open borders

Starting tomorrow we won’t. Where have you been for the last 4 years?
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Looking back, and assuming I was in some position of authority, I cannot say.


You can’t say? After k owing all that we know now?

You’d keep all the kids out of school?
You’d prevent people from wakeboarding alone on the ocean? And many other dumb things.

Seriously?
But here’s what I hope I would be guided by- the data. Is something we’re doing working or not working? And even if it’s working, is it beginning to cause its own set of issues that were not anticipated?

That’s the thing. We were never guided by the data. The cruise ship and theUSS Theodore Roosevelt were key things overlooked.

with the constraints imposed by an administration that was guided more by its own internal political consensus rather than the broader public health consensus.

Yep. Biden effed it up.

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Another thing that connects Trump to his base is that he speaks plainly in their language and would never use a term like "stoichastic violence" to explain his position.


True enough.

But do you really listen to Trump? He talks like a junior high punk, but with less of a vocabulary. Every time he opens his mouth without a teleprompter in front of him, he sounds like a moron.
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he sounds like a moron.

That *was* the considered opinion of his first Secretary of State. Although I do believe he used a colorful adjective in front of "moron."
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That’s the thing. We were never guided by the data. The cruise ship and theUSS Theodore Roosevelt were key things overlooked.


Would you mind going over to the pandemic board and explaining that?
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"Because I can rely on benevolent liberals such as yourself, who are eager to step in and protect me from my ignorance, by force if necessary."

Stop lying. I have never ever mentioned using force to protect you from your ignorance. Do better. Only people like you have advocated for and defended people who act violently for causes you believe in. You supported the Bundy nuts when they threatened violence against law enforcement. You supported the January 6th nuts when the engaged in violence. You support Donald Trump when he repeatedly says that he will pay the legal fees and pardon those who commit violence in his name.

That is all you. Just because you support violent assholes doesn't mean others do. That is you.

Besides, ultimately only you can protect you from your ignorance. No one else can make you realize the idiocy that you regularly fall for from the news sources that take advantage of you. Black people from a foreign country eating cats and dogs........

When the Fox News lawsuit reached an agreement and everyone was laughing at you for using a news source that admitted they needed to lie to their audience in order to keep them as viewers, it seemed to reach you. Somehow it penetrated that thick skull. You seemed to realize how stupid it would be to use Fox News as a source of information. Yet here we are over a year later and you are back to regularly using Fox news as an information source. Intellectually you know they regularly give you false information or spin it out of context, but you bury that knowledge and ignore it. The reason you ignore that knowledge is that you don't care if you are lied to, you like that Fox News reinforces your views and gives you a reason to be outraged. That is what you want. You don't really care about actual facts.

What is ironic you think I am being insulting when I point out you are being taken advantage of. I am actually letting you know you are being taken advantage of and I am clearly explaining to you how they take advantage of you. That is all I can do to help. Only you can do the rest.

Here is a helpful trigger for you. Next time you find yourself triggered and outraged by something that Fox, or Newsmax, or OAN, or such nutty sources tell you. Stop and ask yourself why are they telling you this and what are they NOT telling you? Try it sometime, you will look much less like an idiot all of the time.
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The audacity of the government attempting to act in the public's interest in the face of a pandemic.

Thank god we had stable genius Trump to urge people to participate in mass spreader events so tens of thousands more people die.

Imma stop vaccinating my dog for rabies too, and if he bites you, BHM, tough shit. It's your fault for coming outside.

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"So we should just have open borders and open season on American women."

MAGAt's are suddenly concerned about the health/safety of American women???

Spare me the pearl clutching

Per MAGA, you can beat women up, force them to stay in abusive relationships, rape them, force them to bear rapists consequences, watch 'em bleed out die or die from sepsis in hospital parking lots...and Russian gangsters, thugs, traffickers are okay. But .... but God save them from south of the border "animals."

Oh, the irony.

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Imma stop vaccinating my dog for rabies too, and if he bites you, BHM, tough shit.

Nothing to ignore BHM. In the Phills I realized that you needed the shots within a few days of the bite as sometimes the incubation period is short, and you can get stuck in places due to storms, so I got the precursor shots to give me an extra 10 days to get the shots. People die from it every year there and they won't allow dogs from the Phils into the US without a rabies antibody test that takes three months and is sent to Japan.

Rinderpest is a disease that kills cattle and during the Philippine American War the Phils was hit with two cholera waves and rinderpest hit the cattle. Tough times.

SNIP What is Rinderpest? Rinderpest, also known as cattle plague, is a contagious viral disease affecting cloven- hoofed animals (mainly cattle and buffalo). In 2011, rinderpest became the second disease to be declared officially eradicated, following eradication of the human disease smallpox in 1980. SNIP
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