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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48466 
Subject: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/09/2025 9:42 PM
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the Santa Ana winds that normally blow across Los Angeles are gusting at an unheard-of 98 miles per hour. at the same time, Southern California has been experiencing a protracted dry spell. the rainy season, which generally starts in November, has yet to arrive — since May, just 0.16 inches of rain has fallen in Downtown Los Angeles. additionally, LA experienced an unusually hot summer.

put this all together, and you get a situation where the smallest spark can ignite huge, fast-moving firestorms — and that’s exactly what’s happening in the Greater Los Angeles area.

but the dumbest fucking imbeciles on the planet don’t want to hear about any of that. they have their own special reason why Los Angeles is burning to the ground: diversity.


Jeff Tiedrich

And certain people on this board have repeated that stupid explanation.
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Author: Iampops 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 6:13 AM
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Getting worse fast while we stick our heads in the sand like ostriches:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hottest-year-re...
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 9:20 AM
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Getting worse fast while we stick our heads in the sand like ostriches

I knew the climate changer deniers and minimizers would eventually have to modify their arguments in the face of overwhelming factual evidence.

The most common refrain I now hear from those who would deny climate change is the simplistic "the climate has always been changing" or "when in the history of the earth has the climate not been changing" and the simple minded Dunning-Kruger crowd smugly think they have put an end to the argument with no regard for the speed of the change and the possible consequences of that.

Another argument is the 'why worry', it might be beneficial. Good luck with that.

Another: we can't afford to deal with it effectively, it will hurt the economy and my personal (or corporate) finances, so what the hell.

Now...as to the fires in LA? Santa Ana winds are nothing new. Are these more powerful because of climate change? I don't think it is possible to say.

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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 11:47 AM
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Well, the Santa Ana winds are katabatic winds. High pressure forms over the high desert basin, and low pressure over the coastal sea drawing the air from the land to the sea. The air flow is channeled through valleys and the narrow passes speed it up. As the air descends, it sheds moisture and gains heat, so by the time it hits coastal So Cal it is a dry hot and blasting wind. It's irritating, and if I fire starts, the flames are whipped up and sparks carry. A fire start and minutes later the better part of a block is on fire. If it really gets going and there's good dry fuel, fire tornadoes will spin forth. My rule of thumb was get the hell out of there. Don't let the fire box you in - get out. You have a good chance of surviving, but get out.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 1:54 PM
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Now...as to the fires in LA? Santa Ana winds are nothing new. Are these more powerful because of climate change? I don't think it is possible to say.

They were stronger than usual and sustained... but that's not new.

What has changed over the last 75 years is population and development.

When I was a kid the east SF Valley was undeveloped as were most of the Santa mountains. Firefighters had a much easier job with far far fewer communities and developments to protect.

The more you build, the more you will lose when natural events occur. Hurricanes on the south and east coasts, tornadoes in the middle, fires on the arid west coast.

It ain't rocket science.

Yes, it's getting hotter and drier. That makes the fires and hurricanes more intense and, perhaps, more frequent.

If you build it, it will burn.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 2:33 PM
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Now...as to the fires in LA? Santa Ana winds are nothing new. Are these more powerful because of climate change? I don't think it is possible to say.


Depends on the throughput. Santa Ana's happen in various places, and some are cold. There's a drop from the high desert to the coast and temperature increases 5 degrees for every 1k ft drop. The thing is it's dry and blasting, so any fire gets fanned and spread.

Climate change is likely to create pressure differentials in new areas.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 3:25 PM
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Sorry, climate change didn't cause those fires. Rank mismanagement of the land and general incompetence did.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/10/2025 8:25 PM
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Dope: Sorry, climate change didn't cause those fires. Rank mismanagement of the land and general incompetence did. |
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Ranks right up there with Trump's Canadian faucet.

Fucking idiots.

Oh well. So much for my 2025 'less profanity' resolution.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 4:46 AM
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MAGA arsonists.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 10:26 AM
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Oh well. So much for my 2025 'less profanity' resolution. - sano

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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 11:21 AM
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Sorry, climate change didn't cause those fires. Rank mismanagement of the land and general incompetence did.

Is that what happened to the electrical grid in Texas? Wasn't that rank mismanagement because it was foreseeable and happened because of Texas cronyism? Was there any cronyism on the wildfires in CA? No one is talking cronyism there. This is the first I've ever heard of a lack of pressure because everyone was spraying down their homes. Now we can look into the small reservoir being out for repairs and see if they took wildfire season into account. It sucks, but it's a human behavior problem and we've got to learn to deal with that because people are human.

So what I would propose as people rebuild is that during wildfires, the only people who can spray their houses down are those pumping from wells and not from the public water supply. How we do that is subject to public debate I would think.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 11:35 AM
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Oh well. So much for my 2025 'less profanity' resolution. - sano

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Yes, we are all saddened...


Not me. A cursing Sano is an entertaining Sano. :)
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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 12:22 PM
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MAGA arsonists.

sano, with all due respect, I’m betting dollars to donuts it’s the Jewish Space lasers.
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 12:31 PM
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I’m betting dollars to donuts it’s the Jewish Space lasers.

Disguised as homeless druggie arsonists. Which is what they do, for those of you who don’t live in blue areas.
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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 12:43 PM
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Disguised as homeless druggie arsonists.

So you saying sano was right, it was MAGA arsonists.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 12:43 PM
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FYI: Anybody can download the KTLA app and see the phenomenal coverage from the famed KTLA fleet of helicopters.

Curently watching the DC10 tanker '910' ** doing spectacular low level drops on Mandeville the canyon wall between Mandeville and Westridge, a skoshie west of the 405/Sepulveda Pass.

That's where I had my last intimate relationship with a Santa Monica mountain fire. About 1981, just before Thanksgiving, we rode our bikes up to west ridge until we encountered the fire vehicles, parked, observing the flames on the east side of the 405.

That was when/where I asked an LAFD where they would establish a hard defense line and he replied, 'at the seaweed' (meaning the Malibu high tide line).

My folks house in Sullivan and Uncles in Mandeville survived. My uncle in Malibu got burned out.

I've always been annoyed that developers were allowed to build in many of these indefensible canyons and hilltops... and then owners plant highly flammable privacy hedges and trees surrounding their mansions.

It makes as much sense as building coastal homes in hurricane zones. The cost to insurance companies and taxpayers is enormous.

** "The DC-10 Air Tanker is a series of American wide-body jet air tankers, which have been in service as an aerial firefighting unit since 2006.[1] The aircraft, operated by the joint technical venture 10 Tanker Air Carrier, are converted wide-body McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 passenger jetliners, and are primarily used to fight wildfires, typically in rural areas. The turbofan-powered aircraft carry up to 9,400[2] US gallons (35,583 liters) of water or fire retardant in an exterior belly-mounted tank, the contents of which can be released in eight seconds. Four air tankers are currently in operation, all DC-10-30 aircraft, with the call-signs Tanker 910, 911, 912 and 914."
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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 12:45 PM
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Nah, bruh. Homeless druggies are a product of the blue.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 12:53 PM
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So you saying sano was right, it was MAGA arsonists.

In view of Trump's hatred for all things California, his tirades against a Democrats in general.... it's totally reasonable to expect unstable MAGAs like the suicidal fella who ignited his Teslatruck in the portcochere of TrumpVegas, to plot against the state.

Lots of MAGAs are getting burned out. Lots of MAGAs will also lose their home insurance.

Little known westside fact: there was a Nazi compound tucked back up in Rustic Canyon (the eastern edge of the Palisades. Yeah, scum are everywhere.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/society-adve...
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 1:03 PM
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MAGA arsonists.

sano, with all due respect, I’m betting dollars to donuts it’s the Jewish Space lasers.


I want a Monster with my donut, or at least coffee.
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: The caused of the LA fires
Date: 01/11/2025 4:50 PM
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Overpopulation, lack of effective development and building regulations, lack of enforcement, denial by developers and property owners that regulations are not stupid nanny govt overreach.

This video explains why even back then, with a mere fraction of the development in the canyons, on ridges and hilltops, "Everything is not enough" when the santa anas blow.

Over the decades we've had republican and democrat governors and mayors. It makes no difference to santa anas, inaccessible combustible terrain, and the developments.

"This 1962 documentary film produced by the Los Angeles Fire Department, describes the historic Bel Air / Brentwood wildfire that started on November 5, 1961 in the Bel Air community of Los Angeles. Over the course of three days, the wind-driven fire destroyed 484 homes, damaged 190 others, and burned over 16,000 acres. Amazingly, there was no loss of life attributable to the blaze.

The then $30 million disaster led to new laws in the City of Los Angeles to eliminate wood shingle roofs, and to clear dry brush away from homes. The film is narrated by actor William Conrad."


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lafd+...
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