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Congrats to the conspiracy nuts, who got it right, again.
“ Arguably, however, the Commission’s most infuriating conclusion was this: The global pandemic was “totally preventable,” in the words of Commissioner Dr. Robert Redfield, an experienced virologist who headed the CDC during the outbreak.
Had the Chinese government been more transparent and cooperative at the outset of the pandemic, millions of lives and trillions of dollars could have been spared. The pandemic’s “proximal origin,” the Commission found, was the Chinese government’s “aggressive opposition to honesty, transparency, and accountability” along with its “systemic cover up.”
"The COVID-19 pandemic was almost certainly the deadliest and costliest event of the 21st century. Beijing’s ability to escape virtually any accountability—and the global media’s relative disinterest in the pandemic’s origins, cost, and China’s culpability—are equal parts confounding and infuriating.
“China’s response to SARS1 20 years ago was abysmal,” Dr. Metzl argued at the Heritage event. “China’s response to SARS2, 20 years later despite all these international processes, was even worse. And the reason…is there was no accountability for all the obfuscation in the first case. With 28 million people dead as a result of COVID-19 and tens of trillions of dollars in damages it simply unacceptable, and frankly unimaginable, that every stone should not be overturned examining what went wrong."
Jeff M. Smith is director of the Asian Studies Center at the Heritage Foundation."
https://realclearwire.com/articles/2024/08/23/covi...
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Congrats to the conspiracy nuts, who got it right, again.
You didn't show they got it right, nor does what the CDC say show that they got it right
The conspiracy theorists believe that Covid was of man made origin, that Covid was deliberately created in a lab, and then leaked from that lab.
Nowhere in your posted response does the CDC say that Covid was created by man, or that it escaped from the lab. I agree that China's response was abysmal when it comes to being transparent or assisting the Global community in discovering its origins. But the conspiracy theorists aren't shown to be correct by this declaration at a Heritage Foundation event. You have completely misrepresented this HCLA.
Here's an intro paragraph to the reports earlier release:
WASHINGTON—Today, The Heritage Foundation’s nonpartisan commission on China and COVID-19 unveiled a new report on China’s negligence and lack of transparency during the pandemic. This malfeasance led to enormous economic and human costs—including at least $18 trillion in economic costs to the United States and more than 1 million American deaths. The commission, chaired by the 6th U.S. Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, features nine highly esteemed individuals from the fields of medicine, law, intelligence, academia, and national security. The report primarily focuses on China’s coverup of the virus rather than the origin of the virus and provides legal and legislative solutions to hold them accountable.
So a totalitarian government acted in a totalitarian way during the pandemic, but we still have no smoking gun that shows it was DELIBERATELY CREATED in the lab, or that it was ACCIDENTALLY CREATED in the lab and then ACCIDENTALLY RELEASED.
I'd like to hear from the fellow who thinks it was totally preventable, because I don't see how and I'd like to read how he thinks that.
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" Nowhere in your posted response does the CDC say that Covid was created by man, or that it escaped from the lab. I agree that China's response was abysmal when it comes to being transparent or assisting the Global community in discovering its origins. But the conspiracy theorists aren't shown to be correct by this declaration at a Heritage Foundation event. You have completely misrepresented this HCLA."
You misunderstood. For years anyone who questioned the wet market theory was labeled a conspiracy nut. Anyone who brought up the lab leak theory was demonized, vilified, and cancelled. Anyone who questioned the safety and efficacy of the covid vaccine for ALL people of ALL ages, was labeled an anti-vaccine , conspiracy nut. Do you do any social media, FB, etc? Do you read Doc Prasad, Doc Jay Bhattacharya, anyone who questioned our CDC response in real time? WHO has claimed with 100 percent certainty they know the origins of the covid disaster? YOU, have completely misrepresented what you read.
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LOL you are so bad at actually describing your opponent's arguments and comprehending what you read....
Is it age? Is it intelligence? Is it dishonesty?
Go have a cookie and take a nap.
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Typical condescending reply from Umm. No originality.
I believe that Covid was deliberately created as a part of gain of function research, but accidentally released. Even the Chinese won't be so stupid as to eage biological warfare on their own people and the rest of the world, with no aim.
And all you armchair lawyers, of course there won't be a smoking gun. Epstein was suicided, Benazir Bhutto was gunned down in broad daylight, there is no smoking gun in such blatant cases. Stop demanding proof and judge with common sense.
CDC did many things right, or tried to before Trump and right wingnuts put obstacles in their way. But defending the Wuhan lab was nonsense and they knew it. Pure CYA because CDC partly funded and cooperated with Wuhan.
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I believe that Covid was deliberately created as a part of gain of function research, but accidentally released
This explains it. If you follow the research, nothing shows that Covid was deliberately created, or that there was an accidental release. You believe ins something that hasn't been shown to have happened.
Stop demanding proof and judge with common sense.
The logic from this statement is that your common sense judgement is that it is obvious that it was created in a lab. The is decidedly NOT TRUE. One of the false statements in your narrative is that the virus was planned to be altered in exactly the same way as appears in Covid 19. This is false, a lie. Early on, the German Covid pro whose lab developed the PCR test for Covid, stated that the modifications occurring for Covid 19 looked natural because, if he'd attempted to make a human to human Covid, he would have first attempted to change X, and then made mods to that. So he saw it as naturally occurring because nothing looked like how an intelligent human would manipulate it.
So your "common sense" is actually a quantum leap for people who were actually familiar with and looking at the virus. Actual researchers. He got lotsa folks upset with an article he wrote criticizing the PCR tests other than the one developed in his lab and was attacked in the press.
And then I'd like to see how your mid explains this:
And all you armchair lawyers, of course there won't be a smoking gun. Epstein was suicided (are you saying deliberately killed?), Benazir Bhutto was gunned down in broad daylight,(she was, and guess what - there was a smoking gun when she was shot - wasn't there?) there is no smoking gun in such blatant cases.(There was.) Stop demanding proof and judge with common sense ( I out a harder edge on proof than you do - so I won't jump to false conclusions.)
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"Typical condescending reply from Umm. No originality."
It got straight to the point that the OP was falsely portraying the arguments being made. That is a 100% true statement. I pointed this out to him and mentioned that it is something he does regularly. Why do you think he does it regularly?
In the past I would try and explain why or where he was wrong or other people would provide him with tons of links showing where he was wrong, but he was never willing to engage in honest discourse. He would just continue with the dishonesty. If someone is not willing to engage in honest discourse then all they are doing is taking a dump on the boards. Yes, I look condescendingly upon people who purposefully shit all over my living room.
If someone is willing to engage in honest discourse, I will treat them with the respect they deserve. If someone is just going to engage in dishonesty, they do not deserve respect. Constantly being dishonest with others is insulting. There are plenty of people who get treated respectfully. They engage in honest discourse. Honest discourse involves not misrepresenting what other people say or misrepresent what their motivations are. It involves taking the time to properly understand the arguments your opponents are making and acknowledging when they are making points you cannot refute by at least adjusting your own argument to account for their points.
"I believe that Covid was deliberately created as a part of gain of function research, but accidentally released. Even the Chinese won't be so stupid as to eage biological warfare on their own people and the rest of the world, with no aim."
Right. You have demonstrated that you are willing to believe lots of crazy things without evidence simply because the poor sources of information you use will take advantage of your lack of knowledge about a situation and use repeat inuendo over and over to paint a false picture.
"And all you armchair lawyers, of course there won't be a smoking gun. Epstein was suicided, Benazir Bhutto was gunned down in broad daylight, there is no smoking gun in such blatant cases. Stop demanding proof and judge with common sense."
What common sense are you using? That is a serious question. Show you want to engage in honest discourse.
Also, you should know that it is usual for conspiracy theorists to use the same logic you are using. The fact that no one can produce any significant evidence is proof of the cover up of the conspiracy. That is "common sense" in conspiracy circles.
"But defending the Wuhan lab was nonsense and they knew it. Pure CYA because CDC partly funded and cooperated with Wuhan."
The CDC partly funds and co-operates with lots of labs around the world. Especially in areas known to have subpar health and sanitary controls where there is significant risk of cross species infections. So if there is an outbreak somewhere in the world, it isn't unusual for the CDC to have ties to a lab in the area. That is literally what they are trying to do catch outbreaks as soon as they are discovered. Why do you think China has a lab in Wuhan? It is an area notorious for cross species contamination with their unsanitary open food markets.
Here is some real common sense question that always confounds so many conspiracy theorists. How many people are in on the alleged conspiracy? Common sense would tell you that if it is more than a handful of people, it will come to light, especially if it involves partisan political investigations from congress. How many people would it take to cover up the conspiracy that the CDC knew what Wuhan was doing and are hiding it? At least dozens. From scientists, to administrators, to budget guys, to IT people. All of whom have no dog in the fight yet would risk their jobs and jailtime by lying to investigators in order to cover it up.
Why do you think so many people are lying about your allegation that the CDC is covering up knowledge of it?
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"I believe...
Without benefit of facts. A lot like religion? Or possibly being in a cult?
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For years anyone who questioned the wet market theory was labeled a conspiracy nut.
No, That was about 6-9 months, and then we'd just say likely, or highly likely wet market. Let me put is this way, China thought enough of it that they killed a huge number of animals on farms. There were farms that raised everything from partly domesticated animals to wild animals. People who would trap wild animals. Last I checked it was still stopped.
Yes, we know Wuhan Lab did gain of function research. All that. Time has passed and it's still very likely that it was animal to human origin.
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" The former head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said he was "sidelined" over his views on the origins of the Covid-19 pandemic.
Dr Robert Redfield was the key witness in a US congressional committee's first public hearing as it investigates how the coronavirus emerged.
He said he was cut out of early discussions on where the virus came from because he suspected a lab leak.
The accusation was dismissed by Dr Anthony Fauci as "completely untrue".
Many scientists point out there is no evidence that Covid leaked from a lab."
Care to share your resume Professor Lambo? Thank you.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64891745
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libs lost their mind during Covid and haven't recovered yet.
Even if you a hard core Pangolin wet market spreader kind of person, you have to at least acknowledge how bad an actor the Chinese were and how they wanted the virus to go global.
How can I say that? Because Xi banned internal travel inside of China. But he was fine with Chinese...traveling anywhere else they chose. He did that knowing full well his people would spread Covid around the globe. The idea was that if China was going down, so was everyone else.
I recall Trump wanting to ban travel from China and liberals - many of the people here - calling him a racist for it.
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Even if you a hard core Pangolin wet market spreader kind of person, you have to at least acknowledge how bad an actor the Chinese were and how they wanted the virus to go global.
You have evidence (other than your say-so)? I don't recall that. I do recall that Xi clamped down hard once it was clear he had a pandemic. Travelers entering China had to go into quarantine (there was a poster at TMF whose daughter was a teacher, and she gave us a lot of details at the time). Outgoing? Xi can't really control the quarantines of other nations.
I am no fan of China (more specifically, their government). I've been saying for years that we need to treat them as the enemy they are. But I find your arguments lacking.
As for lab release vs wet-market? Dunno. I've seen reasonable speculation for both, and no convincing evidence for either. You cannot know what happened because nobody really knows what happened, at least in part because the Chinese have not been forthcoming. Which is no surprise since they never are.
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Even if you a hard core Pangolin wet market spreader kind of person, you have to at least acknowledge how bad an actor the Chinese were and how they wanted the virus to go global.
Of course. Because if I was trying to start a worldwide pandemic disease I would certainly start it in my own country and hope it would spread. Perfect sense.
He was fine with Chinese … traveling anywhere else they chose
News to me. Probably to the Chinese, too, who are not free to leave the country at any time. BTW, many of the Chinese cases were traced back to people entering the country, so your studied analysis (and I use the term derisively) fails on multiple fronts.
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Because if I was trying to start a worldwide pandemic disease I would certainly start it in my own country and hope it would spread. Perfect sense.
Who said that? Oh, right. Nobody did, but here's to the strawman fallacy.
Probably to the Chinese, too, who are not free to leave the country at any time.
Huh? They're not the Soviets. They come and go all over the place.
BTW, many of the Chinese cases were traced back to people entering the country,
So Covid started in a wet market in Wuhan, then left the country, then came back? I wouldn't critique any else's thought processes were I you.
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you have to at least acknowledge how bad an actor the Chinese were and how they wanted the virus to go global.
China just had a zero covid policy for a long time - and the USA got relayed the show. Everyone who's followed is aware of China not cooperating with international probes but that doesn't lead to China wanted covid to spread globally. Next thing I know you'll be saying they deliberately infected people so they'd be at maximum contagion two days after they arrived in a foreign country.
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...they wanted the virus to go global.
You are the master of making unsupported assertions. So MAGA.
