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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: It's not your fault
Date: 04/01/2023 10:05 PM
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Long suspected but now backed up by a real study

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/22/w...

White liberals more likely to have a mental health condition
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Yet, there's a lot of drawbacks to believing in liberalism.

The entire ideology 'forces its followers to wallow in feelings of helplessness and victimhood,' Evie noted, as opposed to 'building resiliency against hardship,' which helps combat depression.

Evie was also quick to point out liberals may also be more susceptible to 'White guilt and savior narratives,' which brings them down, especially given last summer's continued Black Lives Matter riots.

Misinformation may also be fueling their decline in mental health. Americans who identify as liberal or very liberal believe 1,000 or more unarmed Black men were murdered by police in 2019, according to a survey produced by Skeptic.com. In reality, only 12 were. Yet, this perception reinforces their belief in their 'White privilege,' and continued self-loathing.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/01/2023 11:15 PM
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bighairymike: Long suspected but now backed up by a real study

The Washington Times may call that a 'study' but it's a self-reporting 'survey' or 'poll'. Do you think perhaps people lie about (getting or not getting) mental healthcare? Also, please note that your link is to a op-ed, not a news article.

And the Washington Times is a rather poor source of information (Media Bias Fact Check rates them as "Questionable and factually mixed due to poor sourcing, holding editorial positions contrary to scientific consensus, and numerous failed fact checks") and Zach Goldberg, the author of the 'study' has this bio on Twitter: Wokeness Studies scholar researching all things woke @ManhattanInst. All views are my own.

All thing woke?

Okay.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-times/
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/02/2023 6:18 AM
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bighairymike: The Washington Times - Long suspected but now backed up by a real study

Ala Bannon: "Flooding the zone with shit."
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/02/2023 2:32 PM
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Mike, I suspect it's rural vs city/urban, and more women are liberal. Women are more open to a mental health condition, and it's easier to be diagnosed in the city/urban areas. Conservatives have to explain the suicide belt in the West, toxic masculinity, and that, just in general, men don't admit to mental health conditions.
My MAGA brother was very depressed. I flew out and talked him into taking Wellbutrin. It worked, but he won't talk about it, or admit it ever happened.
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Author: sheila727   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/02/2023 7:51 PM
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Long suspected but now backed up by a real study

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/22/w...

White liberals more likely to have a mental health condition



Nope. Take a look at the concluding sentence, which throws quite a different light on what the data may really reflect.

"Although the Pew Study was published last year, Zach Goldberg, a doctoral candidate, consolidated the data on Twitter.... Mr. Goldberg speculated the disparity may be because White liberals were more likely to seek mental health evaluations than other ideologies. This could be a simple, and true, answer."

Long suspected by right-leaners, but in reality, the current data may well simply indicate that white liberals are more likely to be aware of their mental health, and to seek evaluation and help when needed. And this would translate to white liberals being more self-aware and in touch with reality.
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Author: Umm 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/03/2023 6:48 AM
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There you go again relying on sources that take advantage of your ignorance.

Why do you keep doing that?
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/03/2023 10:08 AM
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There you go again relying on sources that take advantage of your ignorance. - Umm

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Not relying on a source the way you spin it. I developed this opinion from the totality of what I see going on in our society in all sorts of contexts, that liberals focus on the negative and advocate for irrational ideas like hiding school agendas from parents, reparations, defund the cops, and pronoun nonsense. I quoted the article because it articulated the irrational mindset very well. It is NOT the case that I was neutral on the subject and this source came along and convinced me to adopt that opinion.
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/03/2023 10:49 AM
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bighairymike: I quoted the article because it articulated the irrational mindset very well.

So you cherry-picked information that confirmed your existing beliefs or ideas. That's confirmation bias and there seems to be a lot of that here.

And it wasn't a news 'article,' it was an op-ed.

And it wasn't a study, it was a survey, a self-reporting opinion poll. It says nothing at all about anyone's actual mental well-being but simply their self-perception of their mental wellness. Someone can be crazy as a loon and insist their mental fitness is head and shoulders above everyone else ('Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.')

As far as liberals advocating for irrational ideas like hiding school agendas from parents, reparations, defund the cops, and pronoun nonsense... well, that may be your existing belief but that doesn't make it reality. My own classes and classwork I saw as a parent always included a detailed syllabus, nothing was hidden. Among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, 48% say descendants of enslaved people should be repaid in some way, while 49% say they shouldn't be repaid (which breaks down further by race with 18% of white democrats saying 'yes' and 77%of African American democrats saying 'yes').

Less than 25% of democrats say police funding should be decreased (decreased, not defunded... virtually no one wants police defunded).

And whining about 'pronouns' is a silly distraction that says more about an individual's age than anything else.


https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/10/26/g...

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-bragging-aci...
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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/03/2023 2:21 PM
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My own classes and classwork I saw as a parent always included a detailed syllabus, nothing was hidden.

There are a lot of right wingers, the extent of whose reading is Fox News. If they don't see it on Fox, they claim it's 'hidden', or 'lamestream media didn't cover it, when in fact they were busy listening to Rush Oxybaugh.

I blow by the majority of 'fine print'. There's not enough time in the day to read 18 pages of fine print every time I conduct a transaction or purchase goods and services, whether it's purchasing property or signing up for a cloud service, so I scroll to the end and click 'accept'.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/03/2023 5:36 PM
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"that liberals focus on the negative and advocate for irrational ideas like hiding school agendas from parents, reparations, defund the cops, and pronoun nonsense."

I don't think anyone "hides school agendas", which is a stilted way of saying it, b ut certain folk benefit from saying there's trouble in River City with a capital T, that rhymes with P, and that stands for Pool. CRT is not taught at High School level, but all rw parents are upset about it. Reparations is a non-starter I thought, but some places are proceeding with it, and for wrongs under Jim Crow, maybe we should. Defund is an unfortunate choice of words, but Jim Jordan wants the FBI and DOJ defunded. ;P Pronoun stuff is that academia experimental stuff which shouldn't be payed any attention to until it solidifies and becomes more mainstream. I was in the Philippines where TGs are relatively accepted and no one worries about pronouns.
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Author: Umm 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: It's not your fault
Date: 04/05/2023 11:10 PM
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"Not relying on a source the way you spin it. I developed this opinion from the totality of what I see going on in our society in all sorts of contexts, that liberals focus on the negative and advocate for irrational ideas like hiding school agendas from parents, reparations, defund the cops, and pronoun nonsense. I quoted the article because it articulated the irrational mindset very well. It is NOT the case that I was neutral on the subject and this source came along and convinced me to adopt that opinion."

I can't stop laughing that you actually believe this.

First of all, you prove my point by continuing to buy into a seriously flawed "study" that has zero scientific value.

Second of all, there are plenty of self-described liberals on this board, none of whom advocate for any of the ideas that you suggest they are advocating.

Except for maybe the pronouns stuff, but that is just common sense/common curtesy, and it isn't a hill they are willing to die on.
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