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In March 2025, in the thread "Re: OT, out", Umm asked the members: "Do you think it is because America is made up of magical soil that makes businesses based in America magically profitable?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: g0177325 ⎊✺🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: This is getting ridiculous
Date: 10/03/26 12:28 PM
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Apply one transdermal patch, lead the convicted to the easy chair, turn on the soft music, apply another two patches. then another two a few minutes later if convict is still conscious. Convict nods out. Then apply ten more patches. Check pulse.

No need for a table, straps, bright lights, tubes, needles or other paraphernalia.


I suggested as much in another thread. But I'm not a doctor. Are you? Are any of us here competent enough to know whether fentanyl patches would do it? Let's ask "Dr. Gemini":

​While transdermal fentanyl is a powerful opioid used for severe pain management, fentanyl patches are fundamentally unsuitable for use in capital punishment. Pharmacological, mechanical, and clinical realities make transdermal delivery one of the least reliable and potentially most distressing methods possible for an execution.

Here is why transdermal fentanyl fails as an execution method:

1. Extremely Slow Rate of Absorption
Transdermal patches are designed for slow, continuous release over 48 to 72 hours.

Lag Time: When a transdermal fentanyl patch is applied to bare skin, the drug must first saturate the outer layer of the skin (the stratum corneum) before entering the capillary bed and bloodstream.

Delayed Onset: It typically takes 12 to 24 hours after application for fentanyl to reach therapeutic levels in the blood, and even longer to reach toxic or lethal concentrations.

Execution Dynamics: Forcing a condemned person to wait hours or days while a drug slowly builds up in their system introduces extreme psychological terror and prolongs the execution process far beyond any acceptable standard.

2. High Variable and Unpredictable Bioavailability
How fast and how much fentanyl reaches the bloodstream through the skin varies wildly from person to person based on physiological variables:

Skin Factors: Skin thickness, hydration, blood circulation, body temperature, and subcutaneous fat depth significantly alter absorption rates.

Temperature Sensitivity: Fentanyl absorption speeds up drastically with heat (e.g., fever, ambient room temperature, or sweating caused by anxiety) and slows down with poor peripheral circulation (common in highly stressed individuals).

Failure Risk: This unpredictability creates a high risk of under-dosing, which could lead to severe respiratory depression without full unconsciousness, or an indefinitely prolonged dying process.

3. The Mechanism of Opioid Toxicity (Respiratory Depression)
Even if a lethal concentration could be absorbed rapidly, high-dose opioids like fentanyl carry specific risks during acute overdose:

Chest Wall Rigidity ("Wooden Chest Syndrome"): Rapid or high-dose fentanyl exposure can induce severe skeletal muscle rigidity, particularly in the intercostal muscles and diaphragm. This prevents air from entering the lungs even if the brain is attempting to breathe, causing a sensation of severe chest tightness and suffocation.

CO₂ Retention and Panic: If unconsciousness does not occur instantly, the resulting respiratory depression causes a build-up of carbon dioxide ($CO_2$) in the blood, triggering hypercapnia, intense air hunger, and acute panic.


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