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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Project 2025...
Date: 06/27/24 12:02 PM
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To get a warrant, the federal agents have to adequately demonstrate probable cause to a court.

nbcnews.com - Two warrants letting FBI spy ex trump aide carter

The DOJ now believes it didn't have probable cause to think Carter Page might be acting as an agent of a foreign power, which was required to surveil him.

Thanks.

The disclosure by James Boasberg, the top judge on the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, underscores the extent to which the FBI bungled its handling of a highly sensitive case, a failure that is continuing to have serious policy and political repercussions.

The order says the department told the court it now believes it did not have probable cause to believe that Page was acting as an agent of a foreign power, which was required to obtain the surveillance.


No probable cause. So that means none of them were valid.

You keep coming back to the "2 out of 4" thing, but that's not a fact either:

All told, the FBI obtained four orders to conduct surveillance of Page — the original order and then three renewals. When Judge Boasberg disclosed in his opinion, dated Jan. 7, that the Justice Department had found two of the four orders to be invalid, he also said the Justice Department did not take a position on whether the remaining two were valid.

It was not clear from Boasberg's own court order which two FISA orders were deemed invalid, but it's likely they were the final two renewals.


And one more time: if there was no probable cause, there was no reason for ANY of the warrants.

Page's 4th Amendment Rights were bent over a table, and the left is a-okay with that.
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