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Author: ptheland   😊 😞
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Subject: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 12:31 AM
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Let's face it. The guy has lots of incentive to win the upcoming election. Winning the Presidency is probably the best way for him to avoid his legal problems. There are at least 3 criminal cases that likely will not go to trial if he wins. A fourth is completed with convictions, but sentencing is up in the air. Once he's sentenced - which probably will happen before inauguration day - there will certainly be an appeal. That won't be completed. He's got one big civil case that he's lost with a huge liability attached. That one is in the appeals process, too. Those are multiple big incentives to win.

So why isn't he out campaigning his butt off? For the last couple of weeks, he's been mostly sitting around and doing an occasional interview. He had a rally a few days ago in Montana, a state he will almost certainly win. Harris has been holding multiple rallies each week, almost all of them in battleground states. You'd think that Trump would want to be holding rallies as well, if nothing else for the ego boost they seem to provide him. Probably a decent financial boost, too.

Yes, he's had to pivot to dealing with Harris rather than Biden. But this is a campaign. You keep building your plane while you're flying it. You don't sit around doing almost nothing.

The Guardian has an interesting take on one potential reason. Could he be planning to do a better job at stealing the election than he did in 2020?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/a...

There wasn’t anything particularly controversial about Georgia’s presidential primary in March this year. Donald Trump won the Republican contest – picking up a little more than 400,000 more votes than Nikki Haley, who had long dropped out of the race.

Nonetheless, two Republicans on the five-person Fulton county election board refused to certify the election.

Julie Adams and Michael Heekin didn’t point to specific irregularities. Instead, they said they needed more information from election administrators, like chain-of-custody documents for ballots. Adams and Heekin were outvoted.

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In early August, the Republican-controlled state election board in Georgia adopted a new rule that essentially gave Adams what she wanted. It requires local election board members to conduct an undefined “reasonable inquiry” into any discrepancies before they can certify the election. There are concerns that officials could use that discretion to hold up certification of the election.

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the idea that the 2020 election was stolen has moved from the fringes to being a pillar of the Republican party. A January poll from PRRI found that 66% of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen.


In the immortal words of Margo Channing (aka Betty Davis), "Fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy night."

--Peter
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 7:48 AM
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Julie Adams and Michael Heekin didn’t point to specific irregularities. Instead, they said they needed more information from election administrators, like chain-of-custody documents for ballots. Adams and Heekin were outvoted.

They (two republicans) refused to certify the primary votes even though Trump won resoundingly?
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Author: AlphaWolf 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 9:21 AM
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They (two republicans) refused to certify the primary votes even though Trump won resoundingly?

Yes, exactly. It was a test run.

Let’s say Harris gets enough electoral votes to win the presidency by one state, like Georgia. The idea is to sow confusion so that the Georgia vote doesn’t get certified at the state level. Even if one district that was clearly won by Trump does not certify the voting district, the state can’t certify the entire state election. In that case, no candidate gets enough electoral votes to win the election.

Then the election is decided by the House of Representatives where each state gets 1 vote for president. That clearly favors Trump.

It is an insidious and nefarious anti-democratic plot, right up the Republicans alley to grab power by any means possible, the ends justify the means party.

Now, there are controls in some states to allow the state to override a rogue district when this happens. But what happens when the state regulators go along with the scheme?

The Democracy Docket, run by Marc Elias, has more information about this, including their plan to fight this type of action.

The Electoral College is outdated and clearly undemocratic. It is an embarrassment to any democracy and must be changed.

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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 9:25 AM
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Let’s say Harris gets enough electoral votes to win the presidency by one state, like Georgia. The idea is to sow confusion so that the Georgia vote doesn’t get certified at the state level. Even if one district that was clearly won by Trump does not certify the voting district, the state can’t certify the entire state election. In that case, no candidate gets enough electoral votes to win the election.

Ah, I see. Thanks. How Machiavellian (and not in a good way).
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 9:37 AM
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the idea that the 2020 election was stolen has moved from the fringes to being a pillar of the Republican party. A January poll from PRRI found that 66% of Republicans believe the 2020 election was stolen.

This. Plus the Republican tendency to not respect the law or Constitution leaves us with a potentially serious problem. They are preparing to throw a monkey wrench into the works. These elements are supported by a large chink of the population. The idea is to throw the elections into the house, and win that way.
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 9:52 AM
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The Democracy Docket, run by Marc Elias, has more information about this, including their plan to fight this type of action.


Good that you are following him. Keep us posted of new wrinkles.

The think that bothers me is that you can question the results after the fact, and it's legit, unless you can show conspiracy. so we have a potential for undemocratic shenanigans to be done by the undemocratic party at the behest of a narcissistic populist. We need some luck.
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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: What is Trump's plan?
Date: 08/14/2024 10:35 AM
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bad news: increase, rather than shortage of MAGA minions willing to risk prison via 2024 election fraud\machinations, even knowing trump will never face such consequences.

good news : brainpower of JJ & company aware of past and emerging schemes.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/bipartisan-task-...

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