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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 9:53 AM
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The Right to a Speedy Trial is a right conferred on the defendant.

That pesky, outmoded US Constitution says this

Sixth Amendment "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence"

Nowhere is the prosecution imbued with the same speedy right. So what's the rush here?

"We're going to have opening statements on Monday morning," Judge Juan Merchan declared.

From the beginning, this trial and its timing was designed to inflict damage to Trump and to influence the 2024 election. The charges were not initiated until just the right time to fall into the thick of the campaign season. The prosecution dumps 200,000 pages of documents for the defense to review and the judge only grants 30 days to do so even though the defense requested 90 days to properly review. Why? To hit the target sweet spot for the trial perhaps.

Throughout pretrial and the rush to seat a jury, the Judge often admonished the defense for "excessive" motions and procedural objections designed to delay the trial. Then there is the judges insistence that Trump be physically present four days a week, keeping him off the campaign trail so far and for the remainder of trial which is expected to last six weeks.

Yep, this is a political prosecution if there ever was one. Even if the case against Trump is rock solid, the timing of it exposes its true nature. This is obvious to many but since the political nature cannot be proven, the liberal will respond with, "nothing political about it; The Honorable Judge Merchan is just running an efficient docket, there will be no unnecessary backlog in his courtroom; Bias? BS you say, he is the best judge ever."

The inevitable conviction will be overturned for one of a number of reasons but Biden will be able to run against a "convicted felon" throughout the rest of the campaign season and that is the important part. Lawfare at its finest.




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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 12:25 PM
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Nowhere is the prosecution imbued with the same speedy right. So what's the rush here?

It is *Trump's* favorite tactic to delay.

The charges were not initiated until just the right time to fall into the thick of the campaign season.

On the contrary, Garland dithered. They're being late is not advantageous.

There is no rush, there is just no good reason for delay other than its advantageous to Trump. Criminals should be prosecuted for their crimes - why does he have so many? Could it be - that he's a criminal?

You think all the convictions will be overturned? On what basis?
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 1:14 PM
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Throughout pretrial and the rush to seat a jury, the Judge often admonished the defense for "excessive" motions and procedural objections designed to delay the trial. Then there is the judges insistence that Trump be physically present four days a week, keeping him off the campaign trail so far and for the remainder of trial which is expected to last six weeks.

This indictment was issued a year ago, the earliest of the Trump indictments. The trial is starting a little more than a year later. That is not especially rushed or fast. At some point, your lawyers can't keep delaying the trial.

The judge doesn't have a choice in directing Trump to be physically present - it's a requirement of New York state law that criminal defendants be present in court.

Trump's being treated like any other defendant. Which isn't easy or fun. Being a criminal defendant sucks, and it makes it really difficult to live your life. You don't have a lot of control over when the trial happens, and you're forced to be in court when it does. It's that way on purpose, because Legislatures (generally) are not especially solicitous of criminal defendants - so the rules are set to accommodate the interest of prosecutors, not defendants.
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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 2:01 PM
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This indictment was issued a year ago, the earliest of the Trump indictments. The trial is starting a little more than a year later. That is not especially rushed or fast. At some point, your lawyers can't keep delaying the trial.

Plus, if Trump was truly innocent of these charges as he keeps claiming, why in god's name wouldn't he want to clear his "good" name as quickly as possible? The endless delays scream of culpability.
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Author: commonone 🐝🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 2:40 PM
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bighairymike: From the beginning, this trial and its timing was designed to inflict damage to Trump and to influence the 2024 election.

Say what, now?

Let's look at some facts, shall we?

President Trump was "Individual 1" in the Stormy Daniels case but was protected against indictment by longstanding Justice Department policy preventing federal prosecutors from pursuing criminal charges against a sitting president. When Bill Barr was auditioning for the role of attorney general, he argued with Geoffrey Berman, the United States attorney in Manhattan, about the Michael Cohen indictment and conviction, looking for a way to stop any investigation of Trump's role as individual 1.

After he became attorney general, “Barr instructed Justice Department officials in Washington to draft a memo outlining legal arguments that could have raised questions about Mr. Cohen’s conviction and undercut similar prosecutions in the future.”

Prosecutors in New York resisted the effort. Berman was fired.

Trump filed motion after motion after motion to slow the trial and every motion was rejected by as many as 15 different appeals court judges.

No one has done more to try to slow the legal process in this case than Trump. Had he believed he was an innocent man, he could have had this trial over and done with long ago.


bighairyguy: The prosecution dumps 200,000 pages of documents for the defense to review and the judge only grants 30 days to do so even though the defense requested 90 days to properly review. Why? To hit the target sweet spot for the trial perhaps.

The US Attorney’s office did not possess those documents in January and March 2023 when the district attorney made the initial discovery request and only a small number of the records produced are new: the batch “contains only limited materials relevant to the subject matter of this case...fewer than an estimated 270 documents, most of which are inculpatory and corroborative of existing evidence.”

bighairymike: The inevitable conviction will be overturned for one of a number of reasons...

Thank you for that fact free opinion but you know what they say about opinions, right?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/21/politics/trump-hush...

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-hush-money...

https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/trumps-al...





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Author: g0177325 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 3:14 PM
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No one has done more to try to slow the legal process in this case than Trump. Had he believed he was an innocent man, he could have had this trial over and done with long ago.

The facts are always devastatingly clear to anyone not in the cult.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 5:01 PM
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There is no rush, there is just no good reason for delay other than its advantageous to Trump. - Lapsody

Then there should have been no problem for the Judge to grant the extra sixty days requested by the defense to review the massive last minute document dump by the prosecution


Criminals should be prosecuted for their crimes - why does he have so many? Could it be - that he's a criminal?

Entirely irrelevant to the case at hand. Well except the well known fact is planted in the brains of some jurors, but they have state they will set it aside. I question whether that is possible and biases will be at work even on a subconscious level. The judge is fine with it as long as they say the words.

You think all the convictions will be overturned? On what basis?

I think you mean all the charges before the court of his honor Judge Juan Merchant...

The basis for appeal are many

1) A change of venue was in order but denied. The jury pool is drawn from a biased pool of registered voters in the district of Manhattan, voters who voted 90% for Biden.

2) A recusal was in order over the conflict of interest posed by Judge Juan Merchan's daughter being a top democrat consultant/operative.

3) The charge itself is a faulty Frankenstein creation taking a misdemeanor whose statute of limitations was expired and bring it back to life by bolting on a federal election violation. A violation so vile, yet so subtle, that both the FEC and DOJ looked at and could not find an election violation.

4) The gag order applying only to the defense.

5) The original point that the timing of the trial was political. This was done to deny Trump the opportunity to campaign. The NY statute requiring the defendant's physical presence may be unconstitutional when applied to this case.

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Author: Goofyhoofy 🐝 HONORARY
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Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 5:28 PM
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The jury pool is drawn from a biased pool of registered voters in the district of Manhattan, voters who voted 90% for Biden.

Irrelevant, since the 10% who didn’t is still 800,000 people, more than enough to empanel a jury of 18. But wait! As it turns out, roughly 3 million people voted in New York City in the 2020 election, out of more than 6 million who are eligible. So you could pick your 18 jurors from almost 4 million people. I think it could be done. (More to the point: the defendant is known in every corner of the country, so no matter where you go you’re going to have some kind of problem. Change of venue isn’t going to make it go away.)

Judge Juan Merchan’s daughter being…

So now we decide what can happen in this country based on our relatives? By that standard, that Kennedy guy can’t run for President, right? I thought we were a nation of “individuals”?

Gag order applying only to the defense

He was the only one mouthing off.

the time of the trial was political

No, the justice system has been trying to get these various and sundry CRIMINAL trials going for a very long time. It is the defendant who has pushed it to this point. He has been successful in three out of four, and that might be enough. It should be clear he only wants to delay them so he can pardon himself, the first time in history that particular gambit will have been used.

That’s probably because there has never been anyone as corrupt as him, and that includes a lot of presidential history.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 5:55 PM
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The jury pool is drawn from a biased pool of registered voters in the district of Manhattan, voters who voted 90% for Biden.

...blah, blah, blah, whine, whine, whine.

Don't worry, if Trump loses he can play the martyr, something that will enhance his grifting.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 5:59 PM
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Then there should have been no problem for the Judge to grant the extra sixty days

Again-there is just no good reason for delay other than its advantageous to Trump. The judge is doing just fine.

A change of venue was in order but denied. No good reason to change it, and yes I read what you wrote. That's not good enough, after all, he has his 10 strikes and just needs to convince one juror there's a reasonable doubt.

A recusal was in order Nope. Not good enough.

The charge itself Has the USSC ruled against it?

The gag order applying only to the defense. And proven deserved multiple times.

The original point that the timing of the trial was political. You never even made a prima facia case, but if you did a luxury liner could be steered through it.



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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 6:33 PM
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The gag order applying only to the defense. And proven deserved multiple times. - lapsody

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Meanwhile the prosecution's star witness, Michael Cohen, is free to continue his daily spew against Trump. That doesn't seem fair, unless you are of the mindset like the AG, DA, Judge, most of jury, 90% of Manhattan voters, CNN and MSNBC, that Trump deserves it.

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Author: sano 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 7:34 PM
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"The original point that the timing of the trial was political. This was done to deny Trump the opportunity to campaign."

Playing the victimhood card run deep in the cult of the orange.

A sentient being is aware Trump is using RoyCohn tactics to obfuscate the justice system- "Deny, Deflect, Delay, and Don’t Put Anything in Writing." Disrespecting and denigrating the court, its employees and their families is particularly vile smoke from the Don Snoreleone.
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Author: Umm 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 8:59 PM
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"From the beginning, this trial and its timing was designed to inflict damage to Trump and to influence the 2024 election. The charges were not initiated until just the right time to fall into the thick of the campaign season. The prosecution dumps 200,000 pages of documents for the defense to review and the judge only grants 30 days to do so even though the defense requested 90 days to properly review. Why? To hit the target sweet spot for the trial perhaps."

I know you are in a cult that requires ignorance, but if you were not, you would recognize that Trump had a lot to do with the timing of this trial. It could have been over with and his appeals almost done, but he kept delaying the start of the trial. Even to the point of filing (and refiling) frivolous motions. He tried to delay the trial as much as possible on the off chance he won the election he can use the Office of the Presidency as a defense.

"Lawfare at its finest."

LOL

The cultists always get it exactly backwards. John Dunham was lawfare at it's finest. You are incapable of understanding why though. Your ignorance is literally destroying this great country. Do better.

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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 9:00 PM
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Don Snoreleone. - aano

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LOL
You got some new material. I like it.
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Author: Lapsody 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 9:28 PM
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Meanwhile the prosecution's star witness, Michael Cohen, is free to continue his daily spew against Trump. That doesn't seem fair, unless you are of the mindset like the AG, DA, Judge, most of jury, 90% of Manhattan voters, CNN and MSNBC, that Trump deserves it.

Cohen testimony has all been done before, and anything he does/says can be used to attack his credibility. I don't think that helps.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 9:31 PM
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Meanwhile the prosecution's star witness, Michael Cohen, is free to continue his daily spew against Trump. That doesn't seem fair, unless you are of the mindset like the AG, DA, Judge, most of jury, 90% of Manhattan voters, CNN and MSNBC, that Trump deserves it.


Have you even looked at the facts of the case? You act as if there is nothing there, but there is plenty to put before a jury. We'll see...maybe he will squeak by with a hung jury, but hard to see how he's not guilty.
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Author: lizgdal   😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/20/2024 10:48 PM
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Meanwhile the prosecution's star witness, Michael Cohen, is free to continue his daily spew against Trump. That doesn't seem fair

The idea is to avoid witness tampering by the defendant. Cohen is a witness and so off limits to defendant Trump. Trump is unlikely to testify, and it's hard to see how his testimony could be influenced by others. If there was some chance of threats, then a gag order could be imposed, but there is none.

There are several criminal trials that need coordinated schedules (Trump can't be in 2 places at the same time), and moving forward with this one now while the USSC navel gazes is how the schedule developed. Trump has asked for delays in every trial. The facts in this hush money case have been known for years, and so there's no reason for further delay. The voters will be better informed after this trial is over.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
Number: of 48543 
Subject: Re: The Right to a Speedy Trial
Date: 04/21/2024 12:08 AM
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There are several criminal trials that need coordinated schedules (Trump can't be in 2 places at the same time), and moving forward with this one now while the USSC navel gazes is how the schedule developed. Trump has asked for delays in every trial. The facts in this hush money case have been known for years, and so there's no reason for further delay. The voters will be better informed after this trial is over. - liz

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Fair enough. What do you think of the DA's creative way of bypassing the statute of limitations for bookkeeping crimes by claiming an unproven, uncharged campaign finance violation, a violation of federal law that the feds previously decided not to charge.

Is this unique construction alone enough to win on appeal?
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