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Author: WendyBG 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/27/2025 2:57 PM
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The wild market swings of the past couple of weeks settled down somewhat last week. The intense negative reaction to the Trump administration’s actions can be seen in the drop of the SPX starting in February. The administration reacted like a kid who touched a hot stove but didn’t necessarily learn his lesson. To announce that tariffs will be delayed 90 days and “negotiated” is not the same as saying they will not be imposed.

Only time will tell if and when the stock market’s trend reversal from positive growth to negative will reverse back to positive. At the moment the bounce back is just noise.

The outcome of tariffs hasn’t bitten yet. There’s still inventory from the pre-tariff days. It will take time for the shelves to empty as they did in 2000 and for the laid-off government workers to officially become unemployed in September. Initial unemployment claims are still very low.

The markets bounced back because investors are always optimistic. The Fear & Greed Index bounced up from Extreme Fear to Fear. Stocks and junk bonds gained against Treasuries, showing more risk-on behavior. Treasuries, USD and gold stabilized. The Chicago Fed’s National Financial Conditions Index (NFCI), which provides a comprehensive weekly update on U.S. financial conditions in money markets, debt and equity markets, and the traditional and “shadow” banking systems, continued a tightening trend that began in February 2025. This more directly impacts real-world borrowing than Treasuries.

The Atlanta Fed’s GDPNow model estimate for real GDP growth (seasonally adjusted annual rate) in the first quarter of 2025 was -2.5 percent on April 24, down from -2.2 percent on April 17. The alternative model forecast, which adjusts for imports and exports of gold as described here, is -0.4 percent.

The chaos in Washington, DC is impacting ordinary consumer decisions. A “no-buy” minimalist movement is growing which could cause a recession if it deepens. (Frankly, we would hardly have an economy if everyone LBYM’ed like DH and me.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/25/business/no-buy...

More important, people are taking Social Security early.
https://www.wsj.com/personal-finance/retirement/so...
Americans Are Claiming Social Security Early, Fearful of Its Future
Waiting to start drawing benefits typically leads to a bigger monthly check, but many don’t want to wait right now

By Anne Tergesen, The Wall Street Journal, April 26, 2025

Americans anxious about the future of Social Security are claiming their benefits earlier than planned, even though it can mean less income over the rest of their lives…

Many effects of the Trump administration’s swift and sweeping changes to federal agencies aren’t yet apparent, but with Social Security, they are already changing households’ financial decisions. Americans have long been anxious about Social Security’s stability, and Trump’s second term is heightening those anxieties…

Social Security’s finances have long been under pressure because of the aging of the population. Unless Congress shores up the retirement program, it is projected to deplete its reserves in 2033, which would trigger a 21% reduction in benefits. … The agency said 82% of benefits were processed on time in March…

Benefits starting at 70 are 76% higher than at 62, according to Laurence Kotlikoff, a Boston University economist and founder of Maximize My Social Security. A person who postpones benefits until 70 instead of 62 would come out ahead if they live to at least 80… [end quote]

DH and I took Social Security at age 62 because health issues make it unlikely that we will live to age 80. (My break-even analysis said age 83.) When to begin Social Security is a personal decision with many inputs but a trend for people to take early SS unnecessarily points to uneasiness with the government. Lower income will dampen future consumer spending which accounts for 70% of the economy.

The METAR for next week is cloudy. It’s impossible to say what cockamamie news will swing the market.
Wendy


https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.ht...

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.ht...

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/candleglance.ht...

https://www.cnn.com/markets/fear-and-greed

https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php

https://www.chicagofed.org/research/data/nfci/curr...

https://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe

https://www.atlantafed.org/cqer/research/gdpnow

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/ICSA
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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/27/2025 7:02 PM
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We retired at 60 and also claimed our SS at 62. Our reasons were different than yours, but we are happy with the results and have never looked back. If we had waited until our FRA we would have missed many great hiking trips which we couldn't have taken because of either my teaching calendar or health reasons. My wife began having trouble catching her breath over 10K ft. around that time. Maximizing our SS was never a goal. Maximizing our enjoyment our geezerhood has been.
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Author: Mark   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/28/2025 10:24 AM
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We retired at 60 and also claimed our SS at 62. Our reasons were different than yours, but we are happy with the results and have never looked back. If we had waited until our FRA we would have missed many great hiking trips which we couldn't have taken because of either my teaching calendar or health reasons. My wife began having trouble catching her breath over 10K ft. around that time. Maximizing our SS was never a goal. Maximizing our enjoyment our geezerhood has been.

I have to reiterate something that appears to be a grave misunderstanding among so many folks. The "argument" (discussion?) about whether to take Social Security at age 62 or at age 70 only applies to people who don't need the money between age 62 and age 70. It doesn't apply to people who need that money in order to properly enjoy their life/retirement between age 62 and 70. You clearly made the correct choice for you!

But for people who have adequate, and usually more than adequate, funds saved for retirement. More money than they would spend between age 62 and 70, then delaying social security benefits from age 62 to age 70 is like buying a very well paying annuity, and very well secured annuity, that ensures lifetime income from age 70 through death. It is financially a good choice for this type of person.

There is, of course, a group of people who are just in the middle, balanced between having just enough to spend between ages 62 and 70, but if they had a little more, they might choose to go on one or two cruises a year (or other enjoyable activity for them like hiking, skiing, touring, etc). For those people, sometimes it is worth having one spouse begin social security earlier (sometimes this is worth doing for everyone), and that extra $1000 or $1200 a month pays for 2 nice cruises, or whichever added activity you enjoy, each year.
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Author: PucksFool 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/28/2025 10:53 AM
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Well said. Thanks for clarifying the claiming strategies. It is definitely not one size fits all.
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Author: jerryab   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/28/2025 11:07 AM
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It’s impossible to say what cockamamie news will swing the market.

Right now, no significant changes. However, that may change very soon.

Shipments from Asia to the US, via ship, are starting to be massively reduced. In another posting, it was pointed out berths at US ports are reporting virtually ZERO scheduled ships to be unloaded starting about mid-May. THAT is what will "tip it all over", IMO. It is one thing for items to be *available*, but at higher prices. When there is NOTHING TO BUY because nothing is available, THAT is the definition of a real economic panic amongst the shopping public.

I don't see changes until THAT happens. *When* it happens (not IF), the changes in policy will be too late. The stock market will crash. There is no "fast fix" to that problem and you can bet the fault will be laid on the "Unitary President"--who will disavow it so fast black holes will wonder how he did it....
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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/28/2025 3:32 PM
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mkt is voting things are ok and chaos ceases 'soon enough'.
valid potential for trump to realize more trade bribes are not arriving, gets bored, and tariffs mostly normalize.

apollo data show ~95% negative indicators, and a few point towards things will take longer.
https://www.apolloacademy.com/wp-content/uploads/2...

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Author: jerryab   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Control Panel: Wild & Crazy settling down?
Date: 04/28/2025 6:33 PM
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This may help with vessel info:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33kfpNiiAmo

Very informative.
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