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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/12/2025 10:11 PM
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Charlie Kirk’s wife Erika speaks out after Tyler Robinson is ID'd as shooting suspect: ‘You have no idea what you just unleashed'

“If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before — you have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country and this world,” Kirk said. “The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.”


https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/us/live/charl...

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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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fwiw, the local late news just ran video of her making her threat.

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Wonderful. Way to douse the flames of a smouldering civil war, Mrs. Kirk.
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"Charlie Kirk’s wife Erika speaks out after Tyler Robinson is ID'd as shooting suspect: ‘You have no idea what you just unleashed'"

This whole thing was surreal. The rhetoric from MAGA that I read on social media
was intensely violent. I read a comment from one person that I know, he said he was just sick of the radical-left, he can't live in the same world as them, and it's past time to
do something about. It was later taken down. And of course, since it's been found
that the shooter and his family are gun luvin Holy Warriors, pics in the family scrapbook show the kid shooting what, an RPG, they live in about the reddest State in the Country, etc,etc, I have not seen a single post recanting their violent rhetoric, recanting
their call for violence against non-MAGA America.

They are ready to burn the Country down, because Trump sez's so.

Is Erika Kirk going to unleash the MAGA hounds on Nick Fuente's cult, or is she
going to unleash the MAGA hounds on all the rest of us ??
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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/13/2025 9:39 AM
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What I'm reading is that they're sure he's a leftist because of the friend's statements. There isn't any way to penetrate that. Talks of gaslighting, antifa, etc., but not violent yet. Evidently Kirk didn't have that big a fan club.
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/13/2025 11:49 AM
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What I'm reading is that they're sure he's a leftist because of the friend's statements. There isn't any way to penetrate that.

Over on Zerohedge, they’re still going with the antifa angle in the lead article. Second article gives a megaphone to Kirk’s widow, and the comments sections are heavily populated with angry rants that can roughly be divided:

1. those who rant about Charlie being an agent of da Joos.

2. Those who are sure he was assassinated by da Joos.

and then there are the strange admixtures that somehow swirl both together, sometimes adding Epstein to the mix.

Albaby’s comments on the matter were justified.

I needed a shower after wading through all of that.
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/13/2025 1:39 PM
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Erika Kirk said she has not found a way to tell her 3-year-old daughter that her father has died.

I can’t imagine how impossibly difficult and heartbreaking it would be to have to tell any child, let alone a 3-year old, that their father is dead. Yet it happens all too often in this crazy world. I still have images of a 3-year old JFK Jr. saluting his father’s coffin.

"He's on a work trip with Jesus," she said.

Glad to hear that Mr. Kirk has broadened his horizons and is now hanging out with a Jew.


https://www.npr.org/2025/09/13/nx-s1-5540143/erika...
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Date: 09/13/2025 2:17 PM
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Albaby’s comments on the matter were justified.

♪♪Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews. ♪♪

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY
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Date: 09/13/2025 2:36 PM
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I miss Tom Lehrer and Mark Russell. Two of the best satirists and entertainers to have graced the stage and screen.
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♪Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Moslems,
And everybody hates the Jews. ♪♪


Tom Lehrer- my favorite is “Poisoning pigeons in the park…..

On another note, from a book I read decades ago on the subject of Jewish-Christian dialogue:

The most dangerous place for Jews to be found in medieval Europe… was in the cathedral square as Good Friday services were letting out.

After decades of dialogue on the subject of Christian persecution of Jews, and one thread of origin to be found embedded in some interpretations of the gospel of John, it’s disheartening to hear some “Christians” still mouthing the dangerous and false accusation: the Jews crucified Jesus.

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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/13/2025 4:30 PM
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No, they weren’t.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/kirk-murder-su...

Tyler Robinson, the suspect accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk this week, had left-leaning political views, according to Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R).

“It’s very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology,” Cox told The Wall Street Journal in an article published Saturday morning.

Cox said at a Friday morning press conference that a family member of Robinson told investigators that the suspect “had become more political in recent years.”


I’m largely done discussing this subject with all of you. The left and accountability aren’t things that belong in the same conceptual string and as such the left is never going to accept that calling people the blood insults they routinely use rules up the increasing number of whack jobs and lunatics it calls a base.

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Tyler Robinson, the suspect accused of fatally shooting conservative activist Charlie Kirk this week, had left-leaning political views, according to Utah Gov. Spencer Cox (R).

“It’s very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology,” Cox told The Wall Street Journal in an article published Saturday morning.

Cox said at a Friday morning press conference that a family member of Robinson told investigators that the suspect “had become more political in recent years.”


There's an old saying —-"If you really want to know what's in a man's mind and heart, ask the governor of Utah."


Lame reach much?
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Author: Steve203 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/13/2025 4:36 PM
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“It’s very clear to us and to the investigators that this was a person who was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology,”

Considering that TPTB had made up their mind the perp was "far left", before the perp was known, the "Ministry of Truth" will make sure the narrative fits the bias. The rest of us will never really know for sure.

Steve
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
Date: 09/13/2025 5:03 PM
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I’m largely done discussing this subject with all of you

LM signed off. Looks like you are as well.

You know what you know and that’s it. No need to challenge your own preconceptions.
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They do know that the burning of the Reichstag was a bad thing, right? Unless you're a NAZI, in which case your people were the ones that burned it in support of Hitler. (This should not Godwin the discussion. It's historical fact.)
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They do know that the burning of the Reichstag was a bad thing, right? Unless you're a NAZI, in which case your people were the ones that burned it in support of Hitler. (This should not Godwin the discussion. It's historical fact.)

Godwin himself has recently made an exception to his rule as regards Trump and his flacks.

The comparisons have merit.

Just count on his flacks continuing to say that they do not.

In short, Godwin’s rule doesn’t apply to these fascists.
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In short, Godwin’s rule doesn’t apply to these fascists.

When talking about true fascism, I agree the rule doesn't apply at all. Because you're really talking about fascists. I think the left may have been parabolic in the past. So now that we have actual fascists asserting real power in this country, people brush off the "fascist" talk as "there they go again". Boy who cried wolf, and all that.

Well..."WOLF! There's a WOLF!!" (In fact, a bunch of them. And they're coming for rule of law and our freedoms.)
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I think the left may have been parabolic in the past.

HYPERbolic.

My first thought is always the mathematical when using these words, and I mixed up "parabolic" [functions] and "hyperbolic" [functions]. Comes from a hard science background.
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
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I’m largely done discussing this subject with all of you.

Yes, you cannot win, so you'll pretend. A thoughtful conservative would say "the jury is still out", at some future point we may find out. Right now the weight of the evidence points to him being a rightie, follower of Fuentes, who thought Kirk wasn't conservative enough. But I'm open to that being wrong with new evidence, such as Tyler himself saying why he did it on video. Bella ciao!
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They do know that the burning of the Reichstag was a bad thing, right?

I don't think they would view the historical analogy as being the Reichstag fire. I'm sure they view the situation more like George Floyd, or even a Medgar Evers. A murder that drives a wellspring of righteous anger and a call to action to make massive changes to society.

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LM signed off. Looks like you are as well.


I’m not signing off. Why would I do that?
There’s just some subjects that aren’t worth the back and forth.
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I read the entire article that Dope linked to.

There wasn’t one shred of evidence (you know, facts) about the killer’s political leanings. Not one.

If he was “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology”, where’s the evidence?

Not holding my breath.
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There wasn’t one shred of evidence (you know, facts) about the killer’s political leanings. Not one.

Yeah, as opposed to Grade-A leftist narration building and wish casting. That some SOLID factual basis, there.
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Subject: Re: Kirk's widow wants Reichstag fire scenario
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I'm sure they view the situation more like George Floyd, or even a Medgar Evers. A murder that drives a wellspring of righteous anger and a call to action to make massive changes to society.

Probably the sentiment they share. But they might resust the specific analogies you mention.

But as for the sentiment- that Charlie Kirk was murdered for the changes he wished to bring to America; what are these changes?

He compiled a hit list of other Americans who he then urged his followers to dox. He urged their firings.

Free speech for me, but not for thee.

A white America united in culture, religion, and ideological purity.

Blood and soil.

Sounds suspiciously like the nightmare we thought we put an end to in 1945.


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They do know that the burning of the Reichstag was a bad thing, right? Unless you're a NAZI,

From what I see, seems the Reichstag fire was likely lit by Communists. But the incident, like 9/11, and the Kirk murder, provides an excuse to advance an agenda.

The evening news was reporting on people being fired, or suspended, all over the country, for not being suitably devastated by Kirk's death. I'm too young to have first hand knowledge of the environment in the 1950s, when Communist hysteria was turned up to 11. Probably most of us have heard of how actors, directors, and radio personalities, were blacklisted, so they could not get a job in their field, because of some real, or imagined, connection to Communists. Some materials I have seen said, the way to get yourself off the hook, with the anti-Communist thought police, was to name other people as possible Communists, so the thought police had more people to go after.

What I have had personal experience with, is bosses much like Trump. The expectation was everyone voice full throated support for whatever came out of the boss' pie-hole, no matter how delusional or stupid. If you could not do that, keep your mouth shut, work like a dog, and hope no-one notices you aren't chanting the company chant. Do not, ever, ever, say anything the boss does not want to hear, or you are dead at the company.

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I don't think they would view the historical analogy as being the Reichstag fire. I'm sure they view the situation more like George Floyd, or even a Medgar Evers.

The difference between the Reichstag fire, and Wessel's murder, was the Nazis were in power at the time of the fire, Hitler had become Chancellor a month earlier, so they could leverage the incident to advance their police state.

The World Trade Center bombing, was February 26, 1993. The PNAC plan had not been authored, yet, and Clinton had become POTUS a month earlier, so nothing happened, other than the perps arrested, tried, and convicted. The second time the WTC was attacked, the PNAC plan was fully developed, and a willingly authoritarian regime was in power, so they leveraged the incident, to advance the PNAC agenda. Now, we have the 2025 plan in existence, and another willingly authoritarian regime in power. How far will they leverage the incident?

Steve
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<LM signed off. Looks like you are as well.>

Don’t you dare speak for me.

I signed off at the time because your screeching demands came right through my iPad and almost
ruptured my eardrums and you’re doing the same thing to Dope.
What the hell is the matter with you? There’s a dozen of you piling up on Dope.
Just because you don’t have a life and live at this Board, why do you think Dope has
to reply to all who pile up on him. I certainly don’t, why should I?

Get a Life, take a break.
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From what I see, seems the Reichstag fire was likely lit by Communists.

They were the scapegoats. Especially one (I forget the name now) who was executed. But, as I recall, there is credible testimony from S.A. people (given after the war, IIRC) that the S.A. actually started the fire, and transported the communist to the scene of the crime so he could be credibly incriminated.

I'd have to dust off my old WWII library, and/or do some online research to recall all the details. But that is what I'm remembering.

Putin took that page out of history to bomb an apartment complex and blame it on the Chechens. False flag operation.
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I'd have to dust off my old WWII library, and/or do some online research to recall all the details. But that is what I'm remembering.

I have the Shirer book around here somewhere.

As for what former SA people said, after the war, first, unless they were the ones lighting the fire, their testimony is probably hearsay, and, second, they had an incentive to tell Allied interrogators what they wanted to hear. Having survived the Reich, they were probably pretty good at figuring out what the interrogators wanted to hear, and saying it.

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Sorry to disappoint you. My time is valuable and I’ve spent way too much time on this Board the past few days. Charlie Kirt’s death and the manner he died has really upset me.

I am the sole caregiver for my dear husband and I’ve neglected doing things that need to be done.

So I’ll just take leave from the Board.


I wasn’t speaking for you, LM

Just relaying what you said.

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What the hell is the matter with you? There’s a dozen of you piling up on Dope.

Nothing is wrong with me or most other posters. Facts do not support Dope's claims. Many of your claims are also NOT supported by facts. Refuting false and/or speculative claims with facts is not an attack. Unless your world is built on a fiction maintained in a fact-free universe in your head.

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How do you do that? First you’re there, then <blink> you’re here! Truly amazing. I’m going to use my own powers and make you invisible!
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If he was “deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology”, where’s the evidence?

There is none...

The Guardian added an editors note and removed quotes from the anonymous source who went to high school with Tyler Robinson that said the shooter was “leftist.”
The person now says, “they could not accurately remember details of their relationship.”

https://www.mediaite.com/media/outlet-quickly-dele...
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What the hell is the matter with you? There’s a dozen of you piling up on Dope.

Dope should really thrive on it, because he's a provocateur*. He's mostly totally impervious to it, but he's also a surrender monkey. He simply disappears for a shot while and comes back with something if his argument is upended, like when Trump fully acknowledged that he'd driven India to China with his secondary tariffs and they all were ignoring him. :)

*A provocateur is someone who intentionally causes arguments, discomfort, or controversy to stir up strong feelings or actions in others.
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The internet has fractured information sources, with different sources for different people, but the broader political environment remains important in discouraging violence. Reject the blame game, and demand a stop to the violent rhetoric. Debate ideas not people. Just my 2 cents in these unsettled times.

Some politicians want this to be a Reichstag fire moment. I recognize and reject that reasoning. Collective punishment is wrong (and a war crime).

Blame game after acts of political violence can lead to further attacks, experts warn
“Extremism is becoming a salad bowl of ideologies where you can pick whatever you want,” Hoffman said, adding that the increasing number of lone wolf attacks means violence is increasingly unmoored from organizations with clear political goals.

=== link ===

What’s more important than the attackers’ state of mind, experts stressed, is the broader political environment. The more heated the atmosphere, the more likely it’ll lead unstable people to commit violence.

“What they all share is a political ecosystem that’s very permissive about violence towards political rivals,” Arie Perlinger, a professor of security studies at the University of Massachusetts-Lowell, said of recent perpetrators of political violence. “Because politicians are incentivized to use extreme rhetoric and extreme language, that leads to demonization of political rivals.” ...

Hoffman said that in modern history, the right has been responsible for more political attacks on people than the left. He said that’s because left-wing radicals are more likely to target property rather than people, and because the extreme right boasts organizations such as militias.

He added that after Trump pardoned more than 1,500 people convicted of crimes during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol to overturn his election loss, “there’s a belief in certain quarters that, if you engage in violence, the slate can be wiped clean.”

https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-political-...
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Dope1: The left and accountability aren’t things that belong in the same conceptual string and as such the left is never going to accept that calling people the blood insults they routinely use rules [sic} up the increasing number of whack jobs and lunatics it calls a base.

Umm, c'mon, "riles up" the increasing number of whack jobs and lunatics," huh.

Well, perhaps you've forgotten this guy, running for re-election in 2024...

TRUMPEDO: "Let's put her [Liz Cheney] with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let's see how she feels about it, you know, when the guns are trained on her face."

Now there's a guy who loves to rile up the whack jobs and lunatics.
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"The left and accountability aren’t things that belong in the same conceptual string and as such the left is never going to accept that calling people the blood insults they routinely use rules up the increasing number of whack jobs and lunatics it calls a base." - Dumbass Double Standard Dope

Dope, does it ever occur to you to examine your own behavior and the behavior of the people you routinely support and hold those behaviors to the same standards you accuse your political opponents of violating?

I know from experience that it does not occur to you.

Your cluelessness is destroying America.

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*A provocateur is someone who intentionally causes arguments, discomfort, or controversy to stir up strong feelings or actions in others.

...as is the geek on the dunk tank bench at the carnival.

Just rankle the people on the fairway so they keep buyin' and throwin' them balls.
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