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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 10:56 AM
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“The Wall Street Journal survey questioned voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and found Trump leading his likely opponent in all of them except Wisconsin, where the pair tied.

Trump led Biden 47% to 42% in Arizona. In Georgia, the margin was a narrower 44% to 43%. In Michigan, he led 48% to 45%, while in North Carolina, Trump led with 49% to 43%. In Nevada, the margin was 48% to 44% in favor of Trump, while in Pennsylvania, Trump led 47% to 44%.

Trump and Biden tied at 46% support each in Wisconsin. Even should Trump ultimately lose Wisconsin, winning the other six would almost certainly hand him the presidency.”

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/trump-lead...

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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 11:26 AM
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LurkerMom: The Wall Street Journal survey questioned voters in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and found Trump leading his likely opponent in all of them except Wisconsin, where the pair tied.

Well, sure, the demographic percentages of those surveyed really seem legit:
 

TOTAL AZ GA MI NC NV PA WI

Total Liberal 26 24 23 27 25 27 27 26
Total Conservative 37 38 39 36 39 35 32 42

I don't see anything about adjustments for this bias.

But, regardless, here's the most pertinent question in the survey:

Between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, who in your opinion is BEST ABLE to handle the following issue?

ABORTION
 
TRUMP BIDEN

AZ 35 45
GA 32 42
MI 32 49
NC 36 40
NV 30 45
PA 32 46
WI 35 47

Oopsie.

Biden also outscores Trump in every surveyed state except NV for "protecting democracy".

But hey, it's April... so all this is meaningless but it made me laugh, so there's that.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 12:42 PM
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commomone: Between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, who in your opinion is BEST ABLE to handle the following issue?

ABORTION


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“Importance of Immigration Rises Toward the End of 2023 Yet Inflation and Jobs and the Economy Remain Top Issues”

Abortion issue ranks near bottom of American voters.


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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 1:25 PM
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Abortion issue ranks near bottom of American voters.

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Merciful, if true and they vote like it, because on the issue itself, the republicans have been on the wrong side and still appear to be. That needs to change if the party expects to attract new younger voters.

Think of it this way, constant preachiness about climate change turns off a lot of people. Well, preachiness about abortion and religion does the same thing.

Fine to hold your own personal views and even publicly advocate to attract others to make the same decision for themselves. But when that public advocation turns into campaigning for government to force your decision on everyone else, be it "wear the mask" or "have the baby", then it becomes a big problem which I hope everybody opposes, liberal or conservative.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 1:38 PM
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Think of it this way, constant preachiness about climate change turns off a lot of people. Well, preachiness about abortion and religion does the same thing.

Methinks when it comes down to the wire in November voters will be more concerned with the border issues and Carville’s, “It’s the economy stupid”.
It seems to me those are the two items Trump recently is preaching about the most.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 1:44 PM
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Fine to hold your own personal views and even publicly advocate to attract others to make the same decision for themselves. But when that public advocation turns into campaigning for government to force your decision on everyone else, be it "wear the mask" or "have the baby", then it becomes a big problem which I hope everybody opposes, liberal or conservative.

Have a rec. I can agree with this statement.

As for the OP, it's barely April. Polls right now are meaningless. Republicans are going to take damage on abortion (for a lot of people, that is the single issue they will vote on; both pro and anti, and the antis are outnumbered nationally), and if the Dems play it right they will take damage on the squashed border bill (best opportunity in a generation). Trump's criminal cases aren't helping him with swing/independent voters**.

Barring a catastrophe that Biden gets blamed for (whether rightly or wrongly), he will probably win in November. As Dope said a few weeks ago, Trump is his own worst enemy.




**They won't affect me as I would never vote for that dung heap, and they won't affect devoted followers, so it's up to the uncommitted folks.
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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 2:00 PM
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LurkerMom: Abortion issue ranks near bottom of American voters.

Not so...

About 1 in 8 voters (12%) now say that abortion is the most important issue for their vote in the 2024 elections, with more than 1 in 4 Black women voters naming abortion a top issue, and one-fifth of women who live in states where abortion is banned (19%), and women of reproductive age (18-49) (17%) identifying as abortion voters.

That's a complete shift from elections prior to the Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade when abortion voters were largely those who identified as pro-life.

Trump is the dog that caught the car but is unable to drag it back to the doghouse and get it out of sight. That's why he keeps bouncing around 6 week, 10 week, and 15 week bans but cannot bring himself to land on a number (which I thought was 0, conception, according to evangelicals).


https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/press-rel...
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 2:05 PM
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The economy is humming along nicely, per all of the statistics. The only lingering effect would be the inflation of a few years ago, where prices rose and stayed higher (and likely will be higher forevermore). Unemployment (and underemployment) is way down, people are traveling again (with disposable income, obviously), etc. I'm sure OANN will be doom-and-gloom, but the statistics don't support that.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 2:12 PM
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Trump is the dog that caught the car...

This was predicted by pundits, and on this board. Abortion was a reliable way to rally vangies to vote "R". It was something I don't think most Reps actually wanted changed, they just wanted to be able to campaign on it (like the border today). But they "caught the car", and now the majority (who support choice) are rising up to say "WTH?!". Unlike Reps, I don't think they want a campaign issue. They actually want to reverse the ruling, and we are seeing initiatives to protect abortion rights in state constitutions -for example-.
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Author: bighairymike   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 2:59 PM
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Not so...

About 1 in 8 voters (12%) now say that abortion is the most important issue for their vote in the 2024 elections, with more than 1 in 4 Black women voters naming abortion a top issue, and one-fifth of women who live in states where abortion is banned (19%), and women of reproductive age (18-49) (17%) identifying as abortion voters. - CO


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Exactly, a more or less uneasy equilibrium had settled in under Roe. Then Trump kicked over that apple cart and the Republicans will be reaping the whirlwind for years. This was entirely predictable just like the defund movement assuredly leading to high crime rates. The republicans are myopic about right to choose and will lose votes because of it. Hopefully not enough to lose in Nov, but why take that chance given the stakes on all the other issues.

Look at me, agreeing with CO. Perhaps world peace is possible after all.

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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 7:56 PM
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About 1 in 8 voters (12%) now say that abortion is the most important issue for their vote in the 2024 elections

So it stands to reason 7 in 8 voters (88%) now say abortion is the least important issue for their vote in the 2024 elections, which brings us back to the chart at this link indicating the abortion issue is near bottom of voter priorities.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5aa9...

The Red wave did not happen in the midterm elections supposedly because of the abortion issue.
Now the issues have comes down to who could be the president that will turn the economy, the inflation and border/immigration problems around. It will take a president who can undo the mess brought on us by Biden.

Also comes to mind perhaps it is why now Trump is dodging questions on abortion etc being brought up by reporters. Trump does not want to make abortion an issue???
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 9:10 PM
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No, it doesn't "stand to reason". It says 88% do not rank abortion as #1, but it says nothing about where they do rank it. I'm sure some rank it "least important", but you can't conclude it is the entire 88%. You can't even conclude that it is most of the 88%.

I know it's not my #1 issue, but it certainly isn't on the bottom of my list, either. Probably in my top 3 or 4, under the category of "women's rights". You couldn't fit a piece of paper between my top 5 issues (i.e. I regard them as equally crucial). But in a survey where I had to rank, abortion would not be #1.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/03/2024 10:07 PM
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Probably in my top 3 or 4, under the category of "women's rights".

I’m curious, I often hear the term ‘women’s right’ but I don’t think I’ve ever heard
the term ‘men’s rights’.

Don’t men have rights too? What are they?

Question is open to all. Interested in hearing what are
‘mens rights’.
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Author: onepoorguy 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Trump Leads Biden In 6 Of 7 Swing States
Date: 04/04/2024 8:25 PM
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Don’t men have rights too? What are they?

Sure. We've always had rights. Women's rights is relatively new. It shouldn't have been, but it is. Women only got the vote about 100 years ago. Men have had it since we have had voting. Panels of men are trying to dictate what women must do with their own bodies, and have been since forever.
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