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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Now, If Joe Biden Did This...
Date: 08/13/2023 10:17 AM
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Republicans here keep flogging the Burisma dead horse, never finding any actions that Joe Biden took as vice president that benefited Burisma. Even their star witness, Devon Archer, said firing the prosecutor in Ukraine was actually bad for Burisma.

But consider this and tell us whether or not there seems to have been actions taken by the sitting president and a top advisor that benefited China in exchange for financial compensation...
                     March 28, 2017                       March 29, 2017
Ivanka Trump's business Ivanka Trump named a top
applies for 14 trademarks White House advisor
with China

April 6, 2017 April 6, 2017
Ivanka Trump's business Ivanka Trump dines with
wins preliminary approval Chinese president Xi Jinping
for 3 trademarks

May 6-7, 2018 May 13, 2018
Ivanka Trump's business President Trump announces his
wins preliminary/registration intent to save Chinese tech
approval for 6 trademarks giant ZTE

May 27, 2018 May 25, 2018
Ivanka Trump's business President Trump announces
wins approval for he'll allow ZTE to remain open
1 trademark

June 7, 2018 June 7, 2018
Ivanka Trump's business President Trump agrees to
wins approval for 3 lift sanctions against ZTE
more trademarks


So, folks, does that at least have the appearance of a president and top White House advisor who've been bought and at least warrant a senate inquiry?
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Author: WiltonKnight   😊 😞
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Date: 08/13/2023 11:03 AM
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Plenty of "if Trump did this" or "If Bush did this" also.

Good news is, the Tribalism keeps you people occupied.

While the Ruling Class betrays you and hopefully takes away your rights and liberties.

And who knows, maybe even the ocean comes up a bit more.

LOL
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Author: flightdoc 101   😊 😞
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Date: 08/13/2023 11:01 PM
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HUNTER'S LAPTOP...30,000 E-MAILS...BENGHAZI,BENGHAZI,BENGHAZI!!!!
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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So, folks, does that at least have the appearance of a president and top White House advisor who've been bought and at least warrant a senate inquiry?

Changing the subject to Ivanka?.... no one cares or remembers.

Up front today in everyone's mind and thinking is the Biden Crime Family and their dirty dealings.
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Author: very stable genius   😊 😞
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Date: 08/14/2023 8:33 AM
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<<HUNTER'S LAPTOP...30,000 E-MAILS...BENGHAZI,BENGHAZI,BENGHAZI!!!!>>

LOL...
Don't forget OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!
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Subject: Re: Now, If Joe Biden Did This...
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Even if we forget about all of Trumps illicit behavior. (Including the rape.)
One fact remains...

He was a terrible President!

Trump's job creation record was the worst of any American president on record,
no other modern president has left the U.S. with a smaller workforce than it had when they took office.
Since the government started keeping track in 1939.
All while adding $8 trillion in new debt in just 4 years. (Jimmy Carter did much better!)

No wonder even many repubicans think he's a joke...

"The amount he's added to the national debt is indecent." ~Mike Pompeo
"I hate him (Trump) passionately!" ~Tucker Carlson
"He's a &@#$ing moron!" ~Rex Tillerson
"I oppose him for his incompetence, I oppose him for his broken promises before we ever get to any of the criminal indictments.
He's a completely self-centered, self-possessed, self-consumed, angry old man, and he doesn't care about anybody other than himself." ~Cris Christie
"We're on the verge of having someone take over the conservative movement who is a con artist." ~Marco Rubio
"Trump is utterly amoral. A serial philanderer." ~Ted Cruz
"You know how you make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell." ~Linsey Graham


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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Now, If Joe Biden Did This...
Date: 08/14/2023 11:18 AM
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He was a terrible President!

No wonder even many repubicans think he's a joke...


Oh ya, so the left keeps harping on this, but in reality Biden, America's crime boss and his disastrous presidency, has set up Trump being the greatest president ever.

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'Even After Three Indictments, Trump Support Rises: I&I/TIPP Poll

If being thrice-indicted for alleged felonies is fatal to one's political career, you couldn't tell by former President Donald Trump. He's still riding a wave of popularity within his party, and continues to maintain a comfortable lead over potential rivals for the Republican Party nomination in 2024, the latest I&I/TIPP Poll shows.'

https://issuesinsights.com/2023/08/14/even-after-t...

Riddle me this batman, why is Trump becoming more and more popular each and every day and with every indictment?
Doesn't the left realize Americans see through the desperation of crime boss Biden with the help of the tainted FBI to rid themselves of Trump?
Their failed efforts are making Trump all the more stronger.
And, if Trump does not win another term? I'm not worried, the Biden crime family is done for, either out of Office or in jail.

Americans love President Trump....
In celebration of the 4th of July weekend, former President Donald Trump hosted a campaign event in front of thousands of people in Pickens, South Carolina on July 1, 2023. (AP video: Erik Verduzco)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&so...

MASSIVE MAGA CROWD: HUGE President Trump Fans Ahead of Wildwood, NJ RALLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFR1S3wzPTM

Donald Trump returns to massive rallies with South Carolina event, drawing thousands of supporters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGXrIsEX0AA

And the list of rallies attended by thousands and thousands of Americans goes on and on with each and every rally past, present and future.





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Author: commonone 🐝 HONORARY
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Date: 08/14/2023 11:36 AM
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LurkerMom: Riddle me this batman, why is Trump becoming more and more popular each and every day and with every indictment?

It's a cult, for Christ's sake!

Trump is the first president in 28 years not to serve a second term.

Trump is the first president in 45 years to refuse to release his tax returns.

Trump is the first president in 90 years to lose the House, the Senate, and the presidency in one term.

Trump is the first president in 130 years to lose the popular vote twice.

Trump is the first president in over 150 years to boycott his successor's inauguration.

Trump is the first president in decades to lose more jobs than he created.

Trump is the first president ever to add nearly $8 trillion to the nation's debt in one term.

Trump is the first president ever to openly ask a hostile foreign power for help defeating his opponent.

Trump is the first president ever to refuse to concede defeat.

Trump is the first president ever to be impeached twice.

Trump is the first president ever to refuse to ensure a peaceful transfer of power.

Trump is the first president ever to participate in a false electors scheme.

Trump is the first president ever to be indicted on multiple felony charges.

Trump is the first president ever to be held liable for sexual assault.


You're in a cult.
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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Now, If Joe Biden Did This...
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It's a cult, for Christ's sake!

You're in a cult.


LOL!

Nope, that's only left wing rhetoric talking points.

Now, the Biden Crime Family is the real deal, a family crime cult.
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Author: WatchingTheHerd HONORARY
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Riddle me this batman, why is Trump becoming more and more popular each and every day and with every indictment?

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It is crucial to remind everyone following the clown circus that is our political process that numbers in this climate mean nothing without context. Every claimed fact or actual fact has to be carefully dissected into constituent parts to understand its true meaning.

Is Trump becoming more popular every day?

With "Republicans", yes. But that doesn't reflect the reality people think it does. As I've commented frequently, every number reflecting every aspect of how we talk about politics is changing like sand under our feet. If you assume American voters are in perpetuity divided 45/45/10 between Democrats, Republicans and Indepdendents (essentially any other faction left powerless because of America's corrupt, distorted, dysfunctional two-party system), then hearing "Trump is more popular among Republicans" is horrifying. If you assume the Republican share of the electorate is fixed at 45%, then Trump becoming more popular with Republicans means the absolute number of people who support him is going up.

That is NOT what is happening. Trump is becoming MORE popular within a SHRINKING population of people willing to publicly identify as Republican. It is POSSIBLE that people are unwilling to IDENTIFY as Republican due to concerns about their own reputation but still silently support Trump-ish thinking and will VOTE for Trump-like candidates. However, because they won't IDENTIFY as Republicans, proving such a theory is as difficult as proving my theory above that an appreciable number of people are LEAVING the Republican Party and won't vote for extremist candidates.

It is also crucial to understand how Trump is leveraging any such popularity he is attracting through his nationwide tour of the civil and criminal justice system. Trump netted over $35 million dollars in the second quarter of 2023 including something like $6.6 million being donated after the first indictment in Manhattan. He raised about $34 million in the first quarter. These numbers may sound impressive but they actually reflect critical problems. First, Trump spent $21 million in funds from his political action committee on legal fees in the first half of 2023. That's $21 million of $69 million raised -- that we know of. Those legal fees will only go up as Trump not only (presumably) continues paying his own lawyers but paying for lawyers of those he hopes will remain in his camp and stick to his storyline to keep him out of jail. That's a precarious balance because if he ever skips a payment and that lawyer quits or decides to actually serve their client as they are professionally obligated, his legal exposure will skyrocket.

The more important problem is that Trump's fundraising is bleeding cash out of the Republican voter base into his coffers and it is an absolute metaphysical certitude that money under Trump's control will ONLY be spent on things that directly benefit or protect Donald Trump. Every dollar that goes to Trump is a dollar that becomes unavailable to donate to any other Republican candidate at any level of government. Any remaining "traditional" Republicans in the party -- which I would guess to be about 30% of the politicians and voters still willing to identify as R -- have to realize that failure to eject Trump from the party and its cash flow puts them on the same branch of the tree that could collapse if the legal system properly addresses the existential crimes he has committed.

The shifting interpretation of numbers about politics are equally important for those outside the MAGA camp to understand. We cannot get overly discouraged every time simplistic headlines like "Trump polls rise in Republican primary after indictment" are pushed in the media. Such headlines have to be carefully parsed to ensure we don't give up and fail to show up on polling day. The voter base DOES exist out there to stop this madness but a perpetual stream of misleading headlines stemming from inept / corrupt journalists can generate enough apathy to keep the base home and let a shrinking minority exert undue influence on the country.

We have to play the entire chessboard and stop fixating on the would-be king.


WTH
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Subject: Re: Now, If Joe Biden Did This...
Date: 08/14/2023 7:52 PM
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LM: Riddle me this batman, why is Trump becoming more and more popular each and every day and with every indictment?

ME: Here's hpw he's doing overall:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorab...


This is what you're looking at within the party:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/preside...

DeSantis flamed out is fairly clear.

and here's an article explaining how to get the most out of the trackers.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/weve-revamped...

Other people are looking at these and wondering why you think there's a riddle that needs explaining.



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Author: LurkerMom   😊 😞
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Date: 08/14/2023 9:21 PM
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Other people are looking at these and wondering why you think there's a riddle that needs explaining.

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'As of August 2023, 9,424 people have voted on the AllSides Media Bias Rating for FiveThirtyEight. On average, those who disagree with our rating think this source has a Lean Left bias.

Confidence Level
Confidence is determined by how many reviews have been applied and consistency of data.
As of August 2023, AllSides has low or initial confidence in our Center rating for FiveThirtyEight. If we perform more bias reviews and gather consistent data, this confidence level will increase.

FiveThirtyEight Ownership and Funding
Funding and ownership do not influence bias ratings. We rate the bias of content only.
Owner: ABC News

FiveThirtyEight is owned by ABC News, a subsidiary of The Walt Disney Company.'

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/fivethirtyeig...

538 owned by ABC and Walt Disney? LOL.
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Author: ges 🐝  😊 😞
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Date: 08/14/2023 10:16 PM
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Don't forget OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

Yes, it was absurd and stupid and his citizenship thoroughly documented, but Trump and his ilk know how very easy it is to dupe the MAGA cult, so they never worry about truth or reality.

And I'll bet you can still find many, many of the MAGA crowd who will claim that Obama was not a US citizen. You can't get through that RW echo chamber.
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Date: 08/14/2023 10:24 PM
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If you are in the Trump cult here are some sources of information that could help you escape.

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+get+out+of+...
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And I'll bet you can still find many, many of the MAGA crowd who will claim that Obama was not a US citizen. You can't get through that RW echo chamber. - ges

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Hands Up! Don't Shoot!

RussiaRussiaRussia!
Bush was sElected! <'- I remember when it was chic to deny election results.

You can't make these people up.
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Changing the subject to Ivanka?.... no one cares or remembers.

Only the people who blindly remain in her father's malicious sway and actually believe all of his lies.


Up front today in everyone's mind and thinking is the Biden Crime Family and their dirty dealings.

Not "everyone's" mind and thinking by a long shot. "Biden Crime Family" is the knee-jerk moniker of Maga-world. And that is ALL it is. Up front for those who base their decisions and actions on reality is the searing concern with Trump's continued hold on his followers regardless of the true and devastating danger he poses for our democracy.

Hunter Biden is a troubled individual who appears to be achieving some success in handling his life better. But his legal stumbles are like a faintly dripping faucet compared to the tsunami of crimes and lies and deceptions of all kinds that Trump and his allies are guilty of.

And sadly, this won't reach you at all, LM. And that makes you, in a way, as dangerous as he is just as long as he is still able to run for president. You are one of the countless enablers of this terrible threat to our country.
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Only the people who blindly remain in her father's malicious sway and actually believe all of his lies.

LOL! Your nonsense is so ridiculous when you refuse to account for all the evidence of the Biden Crime Family and your pity for addict son Hunter who refuses to get himself cleaned up.
That found drugs in the White House has nobody fooled who it belonged to.
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LOL! Your nonsense is so ridiculous when you refuse to account for all the evidence of the Biden Crime Family and your pity for addict son Hunter who refuses to get himself cleaned up.
That found drugs in the White House has nobody fooled who it belonged to.


It's like listening to the old biddy Karen down the street who frumpily knows everybody's business and what they should be doing instead of what they are doing. :)
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Your nonsense is so ridiculous when you refuse to account for all the evidence of the Biden Crime Family

Crystal clear so far that the only evidence of misbehavior involves Hunter. Open your eyes and ears.


your pity for addict son Hunter who refuses to get himself cleaned up.
That found drugs in the White House has nobody fooled who it belonged to.


Pity? How in the world do you see pity in my simple comment that he's had problems. I have no pity for him. He's a jerk. And you have no basis for asserting that he's refused to get himself cleaned up.

And as for that cocaine found at the White House.....aside from the fact that he was away with the family for the weekend that it was found, it was in an area of the White House trafficked by TOURISTS, not by residents. And if you are clearly convinced that he had teleported himself back to the White House from.....I think the family was at Camp David that weekend.....and then walked through the area where tourists stow their cell phones and such before taking a tour, and was so careless and uncaring that he dropped his cocaine stash on the floor and didn't even realize it.......then keep on having fun with it.
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LOL! Your nonsense is so ridiculous when you refuse to account for all the evidence of the Biden Crime Family...

I missed the original message, but let me guess...LM? Talk about LOL.

"Biden Crime Family". Utter BS. But Trump? The second coming of Christ. Sure thing.
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LOL! Your nonsense is so ridiculous when you refuse to account for all the evidence of the Biden Crime Family...
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I missed the original message, but let me guess...LM? Talk about LOL.



LM......you nailed it! She, and her herd members, really are beyond belief. Scarily so.
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LOL! Your nonsense is so ridiculous when you refuse to account for all the evidence of the Biden Crime Family...
I missed the original message, but let me guess...LM? Talk about LOL.
"Biden Crime Family". Utter BS.



There are a lot of MAGAs who believe tha if you see it on Fox, it's true. Their zone is flooded with so much sh!t it becomes reality in the minds of the MAGAsphere.


"'Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth.' -good 'ol Goebbels.

This was the key to Rush Limbaugh's success too. Every morning people tuned in to 'Excellence in Broadcasting' on the way to work, and because it confirmed their fears as rational, they came to accept his lies as their new reality.
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you nailed it! She, and her herd members, really are beyond belief. Scarily so.

It is scary. My family in Vienna was totally flummoxed when their neighbors and associates began to shun them in response to the Goebbel's propaganda machine.

The threats of violence by commenters in the Fox News commentaries are increasing with no review by Fox' supposed moderators. The violent commenters aren't even hiding their desire to kill those they perceive to be anything less than right wing extremists.
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LM......you nailed it! She, and her herd members, really are beyond belief. Scarily so.

A prime example of what happens when a person lives entirely within a hyper-partisan mediasphere and they lack the knowledge to think critically about the issues, but respond entirely with the 'gut'.
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