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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", sykesix asked the members: "What do you do if you arrive early at movie besides go to the snack bar?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: zeelotes ✺🐝🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Margin Debt as a Timing Tool
Date: 10/28/26 12:17 PM
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Aussi asked: I just read an article about margin debt as a percentage of GDP. It compares margin debt to a 15 month moving average. I was wondering if margin debt is one of the tools you use in determining market direction?

Simple answer - yes.

The bigger question is how.

Two ways:

1. Identifying bullish opportunities near market bottoms.
2. Identifying bearish danger near market tops.

Both work, but both are blunt instruments. In other words, you cannot expect a measure like this to pinpoint anything. As it relates to right now, however, I do agree that it highlights when things have gotten out of hand. Excessive margin is simply not a good thing!

Data: I have NYSE margin from 1959, and I use FINRA margin from the last date that the NYSE was posting margin.

I do track margin debt as a percentage of GDP as you mentioned. It is one way. Another, more simple approach, is to simply calculate the rate-of-change (ROC) based on various lookbacks (I examine 3, 6, 9 and 12 month). The latter is most instructive.

Bearish Signals

1. Any value of 50% or higher is considered a warning.
2. Any value below 50% after being above that threshold is considered extremely bearish.

These are the last four extremely bearish warnings.

Date       Signal
1/31/2000 Warning
2/29/2000 Warning
3/31/2000 Warning
4/30/2000 Warning
5/31/2000 EXT_BEAR
6/30/2007 Warning
7/31/2007 Warning
8/31/2007 Warning
9/30/2007 EXT_BEAR
3/30/2021 Warning
4/30/2021 Warning
5/30/2021 Warning
6/30/2021 Warning
7/30/2021 EXT_BEAR
4/30/2026 Warning
5/30/2026 Warning
6/30/2026 EXT_BEAR

Anyone with even a relatively short-term memory should be able to recognize these dates has helpful in identifying danger ahead!
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