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Author: Lambo 🐝  😊 😞
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Subject: Re: January 6, Part Deux
Date: 02/08/26 11:11 AM
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You should have the "</sarcasm>" to make that clear. It must be sarcastic since we have video evidence of two blatant murders "in performance of their duties".


No. I'll try and explain, but to me it's easy to see, harder to explain.

No one in ICE has "execution style murder of an unarmed person who isn't a threat" as part of their duties. However, you are allowed to defend yourself. Are they allowed to move people out of their way if that person is interfering with their duties? Yes, that would be reasonably within their duties.

In Neagle, I read what was there, and he was assigned to defend a judge. And what little was there indicated the fellow had punched the judge three times, so the Marshal shot him, and he died. Since he was assigned to defend the judge by any and all means, those shots killing him fell within his assigned duties.

In Good, the fellow was partially in front of the car (a dangerous weapon) when she started moving forward, so he's going to claim self defense. Were his actions reasonably within his duties until he shot her? Yes. But I'd argue standing in front of a car wasn't prudent or part of protocol. Trump halted the prosecutor starting the investigation - so it looks like there won't be any charges or case unless the state starts one. Is self-defense allowable? Yes.

Pretti was pitched forward on the ground, blinded and incapacitated, clutching a phone. He was held down, being beaten on the head with a mace can, and stripped of his carry weapon. The ICE officer who shot him in the back, saw the carry weapon removed and carried away and drew his weapon. Then shot him in the back while he was on his knees. NO one knows what he saw or was looking at but him when he shot him. Pretti was shot multiple times, and several times after he was flipped over, prone on the ground face up - dead. None of that looks like it was reasonably within the duties of an ICE officer. It's going to be difficult to argue self defense because Pretti doesn't appear to be a threat. He can argue he mistook the phone for a gun, but that wouldn't work with me.

Sarcasm doesn't apply.

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