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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Subject: Re: NeoCons, "Israel!" and Republicans
Date: 03/31/26 12:26 PM
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Still doesn’t change the fact that photo ID for voting is a common sense idea and the only people against it are fans of fraud.

No, the people who are against it aren't "fans of fraud." They're people who don't want citizens that lack ID to be prohibited from voting.

I mean, even if you're a total cynic about all this and think Democrats care about nothing other than their own power - the effect of these laws on fraudulent voting is super super-tiny compared to the effect on citizens who get pushed out of the vote. It's just numbers. The people who are citizens but who lack the specific documents to prove citizenship number in the tens of millions; the people who might be voting while here unlawfully is going to be 0.0001 of that, at most. You don't have to be a "fan of fraud" to be really concerned about the former number, which is going to have a vastly greater impact on election outcomes than the latter.

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Typical Leftist drivel which makes no sense. You need a photo I.D. to get a drink in a bar or buy alcohol in a bottle store. You telling me all these imaginary U.S. citizens who "lack ID" never have a beer or other adult beverage once in a while?

You also need ID for lots of other things. Such as, being lawfully employed. So you're telling me you're cool with all these imaginary people who don't have IDs, but are otherwise law-abiding U.S. citizens (LOL) and "follow all the rules," are all working off the books (if they are working)?

Also if you want to get a bank account. Or a driver's license. Or buy a house. Or lease a rental. Or get a credit card.

And a million other things too. Look, if all these supposedly legal U.S. citizens don't have I.D.s, how do they function, at all, in lawful society?

Answer: There aren't. The only people who don't have I.D.s, or don't want to get them, or can't get them, are criminals, whether or not they have been charged or convicted of anything (yet).
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