Winning would be conquering the territory for good

Winning is keeping the territory, which is exactly what he’s doing.

Really? Name three in the last 50 or 60 years.

Russia in Georgia and Crimea and us in Grenada. What do I win?

But Putin hasn’t even gotten to the point where he’s only dealing with an insurgency.

The why do you and the other guy keep talking about “insurgency”, then, if we’re not in the “insurgency” phase? And are there not people behind the lines right now?

Where is the effect they’re having on the war if an “insurgency” is the prime driver of small countries kicking big countries in the d1ck? All the examples the other guy keeps citing in his miscounting of the war relate to actions the Ukrainian government is taking.

And he can’t defeat the Ukrainian army, because he can’t cut off their supplies or destroy their industrial support.

Supposition on your part. You may hate the repeated phrasing of needing guns, dudes and money to fight but that doesn’t make it any less true.

Russia has more guns than the Ukraine. Fact.

Russia is supplying enough guns to make slow but inexorable gains on the front. Fact.

And somehow - despite loads of sanctions from the west - they’re able to get enough money together. Why? Because China, India and Europe are paying for the war.

You’ve already ruled out any kind of sanctions on India and China because according to you, they value doing business with each more than they value doing business with us.

So all that’s left is…more dudes, more guns and more money to Zelensky.

And that returns me to my original question: how far are you willing to go? How many Americans do you want I. The fight?

If the answer is “zero” and you’re simultaneously advocating for no economic penalties on China/India plus a sacrifice from Europe (they buy more gas from us instead of India)…then your strategy reduces to the FrancoGerman plan for the defense of Europe only with Ukrainians playing the role of casualty-absorbers instead of Americans.

Or instead of all this how about we try and get Putin to the table and at least TRY for a negotiated settlement?