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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Subject: Re: been warning about this for a while
Date: 10/14/25 10:08 AM
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That's what these new state IDs with stars on them are for. ICE is supposed to accept that as proof of citizenship.

No, it does not prove you are a citizen. The "real ID" star only means you have shown papers verifying you are who you say you are. You can present a green card, or a foreign passport, for instance, to obtain a "real ID" driver's license.

To obtain mine, I headed to the Secretary of State office, with the birth certificate I have had all my life. The clerk looked at it and said "that isn't a birth certificate. that's a souvenir from the hospital". I protested "it was good enough for the Navy". But the US wasn't nearly as nutty decades ago, as it is now. I had to obtain an official, certified, birth certificate. In Michigan, birth certificates are issued at the county level. Fortunately, my life's wanderings landed me back in the county of my birth, after a 40 year absence, so it was a short drive to the nearest Wayne County Clerk's office. And that birth certificate was not free. In Wayne County, it would have been free, if I was over 65, but I wasn't that old then. So, my cost to obtain that free "real ID" license was the cost of the birth certificate: $24.

Steve
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