That isn't "appearance," that is a classic example of "behavior" that can justify a detention by law enforcement.

Look, if someone knows they can pick you up because of your appearance (this is true), and they have a tendency to flee when they know they are going to be picked up even though they are a US citizen, they might flee. Now for marco this is too much of a nuance for him.

So it's a case of 1. cause the behavior and then, 2. blame the behavior for the detention.

Any citizen who doesn't look like us will see ICE and not want to be picked up even though they *ARE a citizen*, because ICE doesn't care and need to care right now if you are a citizen. The citizen may try to flee even though they are a US citizen because - who wants to be held for possibly a few days. The fleeing is understandable and is not in the same circumstances as normal law enforcement - the fleeing that arises to reasonable suspicion before is now questionable if it applies to ICE, especially because ethnicity can be used to justify reasonable suspicion. I agree with Steve that once he says he's a citizen and offers some docs, they should look to see what he has, they aren't looking, and that violates unreasonable search and seizure. But, if they look at his documents and take a few minutes to verify them and release him, that would be reasonable.

Lots of things with small changes can be made reasonable, but sometimes need major changes. Birthright citizenship can be made reasonable with an amendment stating one of the parents has to be an American citizen. I think an amendment of that sort would pass.

Now I don't expect marco to ever understand all this even though I spell it out. He's obtuse to the nth degree. I have him on ignore, but you keep talking to him, so I may have to put you (Steve) on ignore too, just so I don't feel a need to respond.

Hope this is clear enough.