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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: g0177325   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Congress creates more sunshine!
Date: 07/15/26 2:23 PM
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FYI, these are the pros and cons per Gemini:

Proponents of pDST—which includes retail groups, the tourism and hospitality industries, and outdoor recreation advocates—argue that shifting light to the evening yields massive quality-of-life and economic benefits.

• Boosts the Economy and Retail Sales: Later daylight encourages people to go shopping, eat at restaurants, and participate in commercial activities after work rather than heading straight home in the dark. Industries like golf, tourism, and outdoor sports see significant revenue increases with extended evening light.
• Promotes Active Lifestyles: An extra hour of light in the evening gives families, adults, and children more time for outdoor recreation, sports, and exercise after school and work. Research indicates that longer evening light is directly linked to increased physical activity.
• Reduces Evening Crime: Peak hours for street crime, robbery, and driving accidents coincide with the evening commute (typically between 5 PM and 8 PM). Flooding these hours with natural light acts as a natural deterrent, lowering crime rates and making neighborhoods feel safer.
• Better Aligning with Modern Leisure: Most modern workers do not spend their early morning hours outdoors. Shifting the daylight to the end of the day aligns better with when people actually have free time to enjoy it.

Opponents of pDST—heavily led by sleep scientists, chronobiologists, and parent-teacher associations—argue that permanent standard time is far superior and that permanent DST is actively harmful to human health.

• Circadian Rhythm Disruption ("Social Jet Lag"): Human biology is deeply tied to the sun clock, not the social clock. Morning light is critical because it resets our internal 24-hour biological clock and promotes alertness. pDST essentially forces us to wake up in the dark, which delays our body’s sleep signals and leads to chronic sleep deprivation, metabolic issues, and higher rates of obesity and cardiovascular events.
• Dangerous, Dark Winter Mornings: Under permanent DST, sunrise in many parts of the country during the winter would not occur until 8:30 AM or even after 9:00 AM. This means millions of children would be waiting for school buses or walking to school in pitch darkness, and morning commutes would be made more hazardous by dark, icy roads.
• Higher Rates of Depression: Sleep medicine experts warn that losing morning light in the winter can severely worsen Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD). Studies of populations living on the western edges of time zones (who experience later sunrises) show higher rates of sleep disorders, depression, and lower life expectancy.
• History Shows It Fails in Practice: The U.S. actually tried permanent DST in 1974 during the energy crisis. While initially highly popular (79% approval), public support plummeted to 42% in just a few months once winter hit and parents realized their kids were going to school in freezing, pitch-black mornings. Congress repealed the law after only 10 months.

It seems to me that the problem of kids going to school in the dark could be fixed by delaying school opening for an hour, but you'd still have parents going to work in the dark. The increased depression problem would also remain.

Personally I always hate that it gets dark so early in the winter, which is depressing to me, and I think I wouldn't mind it being dark in the morning, but I have no experience with that alternative (I was only 11 in 1974 when the experiment failed and don't remember it at all).

Overall though, it seems that the economic, crime, lifestyle and leisure benefits align more with GOP values and the negative circadian rhythm, morning danger, and depression impacts plus the past failure align with DEM values.

I'm surprised Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) is for the bill. She passed a similar bill in the Senate a few years ago, and wants the new one to pass too. She argues "more sunshine, less depression".

YouTube: BREAKING: the House passed my bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent! (Senator Patty Murray)
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