There’s no ‘just give up’. Those of us who favor negotiations understand that the status quo is grinding Ukraine into a fine powder.

No, you're just giving up.

Making sure the Ukrainians still have a country when this is all over.

No one believes for an instant that you give a damn about Ukraine or the Ukrainians.

And...

Ancient Greece against the Persian Empire: The Greek city-states, though outnumbered, fiercely resisted Persian invasions in battles like Marathon and Salamis, ultimately thwarting their expansion into Europe.

The American colonies against the British Empire: The fledgling American forces, with French support, secured their independence against the formidable British military in the Revolutionary War.

North Vietnam against France and the United States: Through persistent guerrilla warfare and national resilience, North Vietnam achieved independence from French rule and later defeated the technologically superior American forces in the Vietnam War.

Afghanistan against the Soviet Union and the United States: Afghanistan successfully resisted both Soviet and US-led forces over several decades, showcasing the effectiveness of asymmetric warfare against powerful external actors.

Japan against Russia in the Russo-Japanese War (1904-1905): Japan, with a smaller navy and economy, managed to decisively defeat Russia, humiliating the larger empire and shifting the global balance of power,

Finland: During the Winter War of 1939-1940, successfully held out against the Soviet invasion, despite being significantly outnumbered and outgunned,