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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", sykesix asked the members: "What do you do if you arrive early at movie besides go to the snack bar?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Subject: Re: Columbians to allow deportation flights
Date: 01/28/25 11:34 AM
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No you said it wasn't gunboat diplomacy. It most assuredly is.

I think you need to read up more on the Belt and Road and especially on what Italy thought of it.


I'm well aware. Italy agreed to join the Belt and Road back in 2019 or so (the only G7 country to do so, IIRC) - and then withdrew last year. They thought better of moving into the Chinese sphere of influence.

That doesn't make it gunboat diplomacy - you didn't have Chinese warships steaming into the Adriatic to force Rome to sign the MOU. They joined it willingly because China offers a lot of investment and economic benefits, and at that time international relations with China globally were far more positive. They later withdrew because global attitudes towards China hardened, which made the "strings" more painful than the benefits.

But most countries that have joined the BRI have stayed in the BRI. Because China's playing a very smart long-term game.

Yup. That's what we're doing, making it easier for the Chinese to take over the world.

You're certainly making it easier for them to extend their economic, strategic, and political influence. It's not your goal, but it's the consequence of the U.S. deciding to withdraw from the field on which "soft power" contests are waged. It's popular in more isolationist movements to kill all your foreign aid, your foreign direct investing and lending programs, your participation in international groups, to throttle back international trade. But that just means that China gets to operate in those fields without any counter by the U.S.

There's a reason why we now regard China as a threat - and it's in large part because they've amassed all this economic and political influence across the globe. They've been going around locking up massive amounts of strategic raw materials and resources, and they've been doing it through the exact methods that Trump has decided that the U.S. isn't going to bother with any more.

Just because your intent isn't to make it easier for the Chinese to take over the world doesn't mean that you're not taking actions that can have that result.
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