Please everyone avoid making personal insinuations. The strength of Shrewd'm is that people are free to express ideas - let them do so. Only argue with their ideas, rather than making mocking and insinuations at the personal level.

If someone has a different view of the world, the last thing you want to do is ridicule them. Those with other views sometimes turn out to be right, or at least some subset of the view proving to be right that was dismissed outright.

The consensus is often incorrect, and especially within markets. That's why we like Shrewd'm - to get different perspectives, even different world views.

As well arguments to be short, long, or just away, this board can also be for discussions of what Tesla is manufacturing, which is largely outside of the subject of investment return. The investment return is mostly what readers at Shrewds'm are focussed on but it isn't anything - it can be very interesting simple understanding how companies operate, what they are creating, etc.

After all, for whatever it is worth (pun not intended), it cannot be denied that Tesla is making physical things which is a concept increasingly in short supply in the US.

- Manlobbi