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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Let’s See If This Pans Out for Putin
Date: 08/19/2025 1:25 PM
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Except it's not akin to that at all. Ukraine isn't just letting Russia attack them - they're fighting back.

The Ukrainians are doing the best they can. They're trying to retake territory the best they can. The European strategy of half-measures means that's all they'll be able to do.

Hence the analogy.

Instead, you're hurting him and hurting him and punching him and damaging him constantly. You can't physically knock him out or force him out of the ring, but you can demonstrate that he'll never knock you out either and that he'll never stop being hurt and damaged. And since he can leave the ring and you can't, he knows that you'll keep hurting and damaging him for as long as you have any resources - but he doesn't have to sit there and take it for no benefit.

First rule of fighting: Avoid a fight. Second rule of fighting: inflict more damage than you take (which is ideally zero).

If you want an analogy, it's like a defendant in a lawsuit drowning the plaintiff in paper, driving up their legal expenses and making sure it will be 7-8 years and millions of dollars in legal fees before they ever see a dime of recovery, in hopes that they'll drop the lawsuit or settle for a pittance. A strategy that happens all the time.

Except in this case the opposing council keeps setting your law office on fire and occasionally offs some of your junior associates. After a while they may decide to not come to work at your law firm anymore.

Why? Why do they have to do something else? This isn't Short Attention Span Theater - geopolitical conflicts, and yes even actual wars, very often take more than three years to win. If the West is serious about restoring order and helping them regain their territory and making Russia pay for its naked aggression, the fighting might have to last for more than three years! Not everything is easy! .

Yep. We might have to keep Kicking Putin In The D1ck Right Down to The Last Ukrainian for years.

Not everything is quick! When people are terrible and cruel and aggressive and violent, sometimes it takes years and years of sacrifice and commitment and resolve in order to beat the bad people

No kidding.
If you're going to fight, then fight to win. Use *all* the tools at your disposal. The longer it drags out, the worse it is for everyone at current course and speed.

The Ukrainians want to defend their country from invaders. Like almost every people on earth would probably do. So as long as they are willing to keep fighting to undo the evil that the Russians have perpetrated, the Europeans are willing to aid them in their fight. Because if they are able to keep fighting, eventually they will prevail. The Ukrainians know that, the Europeans know that, and most American leaders know that as well. So as long as the Ukrainians keep fighting, we should keep supporting them with resources.

You're misunderstanding. I'm the one advocating for Europe and American to radically up the pain that Russia is feeling. Break their economy and make them so radioactive they can't give anything away. You want a bully to stop? You don't lightly tap on his shoulder. You give him a black eye and some bruised ribs. Sweep the leg. Whatever it takes.
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