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Author: Dope1 ⎊  😊 😞
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Subject: The Germans knew about COVID...
Date: 03/17/25 11:25 AM
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...and that it came from a lab, but kept it quiet:

www-berliner--zeitung-de.translate.goog - Berichte corona stammt laut bnd doch aus chinesischem labor regierung haelt akten seit jahren geheim li

For five years, the Federal Intelligence Service (BND) has assumed that the coronavirus originated in a Chinese laboratory. The BND classifies the laboratory theory as "probable" and is "80 to 95 percent" certain. Since then, the German government has kept secret the BND's findings that the virus originated in the biolab in Wuhan . This is reported by NZZ, Zeit, and Süddeutsche Zeitung.

To date, it remains officially unclear whether the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is of natural origin or originated in a laboratory. Despite intensive research, no intermediate host has been identified that naturally transmitted the pathogen from animals to humans. At the same time, controversial experiments at the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) that supported the laboratory theory came into focus.

Virologists meeting at the foreign intelligence service?
According to reports, several scientists at the German foreign intelligence service, the Federal Intelligence Service, have been meeting in recent weeks, initiated by the Federal Chancellery. The first meeting took place last year, with the participation of renowned virologists. A central topic of these discussions was the possible origin of the virus. According to Zeit, the Federal Chancellery has been keeping relevant information under wraps for five years.

dailymail.co.uk - Investigation confirms Covid came Chinese lab Beijing

German agents targeted Chinese government agencies and scientific institutions across the country, including the Wuhan Institute of Virology - the lab at the center of the lab-leak theory.

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In Wuhan, the BND agents 'struck gold,' coming 'as close to the origins of the pandemic... as possible in China,' German media Die Zeit reported.

They found unpublished dissertations from 2019 and 2020 that allegedly discussed the effects of coronaviruses on the human body.

Additionally, uncovered materials revealed Chinese scientists had 'an unusually large amount of knowledge about the supposedly novel virus available at an unusually early stage.'

Based on the materials BND agents found and analyzed, they used a 'Probability Index' to measure the reliability of information, which determined the lab-leak theory was 'probable' with an '80 to 95 percent' certainty.

Perhaps more alarming, the agents also found Chinese scientists are still carrying out dangerous manipulation experiments with the deadly coronavirus MERS.

Indeed.
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