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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Subject: Re: War ravaged Portland
Date: 09/30/25 2:12 PM
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No one asserted that it was. However, is your crowd allowed to block entry and exit ways to federal property?

If you're not asserting it's a crime, then what do you think the state troopers would be doing? On what basis would they disperse the crowd or prevent it from forming each day?

The crowd isn't "allowed" to block entry and exit ways to anyone's property, but it's probably not a criminal offense to do so (unlike, say, breaking a window). There might be some federal statute that's broad enough to make it a crime to do that. But the reason that ICE hasn't just gone out and arrested them for doing that is the same reason the state police aren't coming up with some super-broad interpretation of a state statute to do that - it's a really dumb move, since it would just pour gasoline on the fire.

As I said, there isn't a riot going on now.

I could livestream our theoretical M-60-equipped Prius spraying bullets into the building at random intervals and that probably wouldn't count either.


No, it would certainly count. But that's not what's happening right now. We're not disagreeing because nothing could ever "count" as a sufficiently violent attack to warrant a response - we're disagreeing because what's actually been happening on-site for the last several months after the June riot has not been an actual riot, and therefore doesn't warrant calling in federal troops.

Are you arguing that there has been an actual riot going on in front of the ICE building for the last 100 days?

I know, right? It's all fun and games until we laser someone into permanent eye damage. No crime there!

Doesn't matter whether it's "fun and games" or not. Unless shining a laser is something that violates a criminal statute in the state of Oregon, you can't arrest people for doing it. And again, since the ICE agents - who are also law enforcement officers with arrest powers and guns - didn't go out and arrest these folks for shining lasers, that's a pretty good sign that it doesn't fall within general assault crimes.
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