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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Author: Lapsody   😊 😞
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Subject: GROK
Date: 03/23/25 10:03 PM
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I asked Grok: Were Jan 6ers denied due process?

GROK Conclusion
Jan 6ers weren’t broadly denied due process—most got their day in court with standard rights intact. Isolated hiccups (detention delays, initial overcharging) don’t undo that. Critics’ strongest point—D.C.’s jury pool—lacks hard evidence of systemic bias outweighing the case strength. The system wasn’t perfect, but it didn’t fail them en masse. What’s your take—any specific case you’re zeroing in on?

The rest of the report was an interesting read. Then I asked: Did trump pardon violent Jan 6ers?

GROK Yes, Donald Trump pardoned January 6 defendants, including those convicted of violent acts, on his first day back in office, January 20, 2025. Here’s the breakdown based on available data:...

...The Violent Ones
The DOJ’s tally shows over 600 defendants faced charges tied to violence against law enforcement or obstructing officers during the riot—about 40% of the total charged by August 2024. Trump’s blanket pardon covered these cases unless they fell among the 14 commuted. Court records and media (e.g., NPR, AP) highlight pardoned rioters who beat cops with flagpoles, batons, and stun guns, or used bear spray and explosives. Over 140 officers were injured, and the pardons erased accountability for those acts, barring the 14 exceptions.

Context and Caveats
Trump’s move reversed years of prosecutions, fulfilling a campaign pledge to free what he called “J6 patriots” or “hostages.” Critics, including some Republicans like Lindsey Graham (BBC, January 2025), called it a mistake to pardon violent offenders, while supporters like Rep. Lauren Boebert cheered it. The pardons don’t erase criminal records but restore rights like voting and gun ownership, and they ended probation or pending cases. The 14 commuted leaders, though freed, keep their felony stains—a distinction Trump didn’t explain.
So, yes, Trump pardoned violent Jan 6ers—hundreds of them—except for a handful of high-profile extremists whose sentences he shortened instead. Any specific case you’re curious about?

Then I asked if Elon Musk would agree with Grok's conclusions on Jan 6ers-

GROK No X posts or interviews show Musk reacting to Grok’s exact conclusions. He’s too busy running companies and tweeting to micromanage an AI’s output. But his general vibe—distrust of the DOJ’s approach and softer stance on rioters—suggests he’d likely nod at Grok’s criticisms of specific flaws while pushing further toward leniency than Grok’s measured take. What do you think—does Musk’s style strike you as someone who’d fully buy Grok’s line or tweak it to fit his gut?

I think I'm going to have some fun with Grok.













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