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In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
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Subject: Re: Wonderful Meditation by Jonathan Last
Date: 10/28/25 7:09 PM
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No, which is why I went out of my way to point out that this was horrible.

I'm only pointing out that if the person actually "disappeared into ICE limbo," it is pretty likely that they were in the country illegally. Not that it's okay when ICE detains someone briefly without much regard to their actual immigration status - just that if they're detained by ICE for long enough to merit that description, it's pretty likely that they don't have authorization to be in the country legally.


There are hundreds of citizens who have been abducted and imprisoned illegally, many of them for days, some for weeks. I call that "disappeared into ICE limbo", no contact, no information about their whereabouts, no legal representation, no warrant, no appearance before a judge, then kicked out to the street as if nothing happened. Then there are those who are here legally with a visa or waiver, some who appear before a judge to have their case heard, and are summarily detained, their visa or waiver revoked without reason. Is that legal? It didn't use to be. And among those who are actually undocumented, the vast majority are not criminals. Many of them have family members, spouses and children, who are here legally. They are working law abiding people who live here, and have committed the misdemeanor of entering the country illegally or overstaying their visa. Many of them have legitimate claims for asylum. The number of actual criminals, "gang members, murderers, rapists, drug dealers" is a small minority. They are harder to find because they live their whole lives in the shadows. ICE is not actually going after them. Its true mission is to ethnically cleanse the country. When you add it all up, it's a giant dragnet of illegality, intended to destroy communities, to make America lilly white again - as if it ever was.
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