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Those who are against having to be a LEGAL citizen and to prove you are a legal registered voter -- do not believe in free and fair elections and democracy. They are no different than the 1/6 crowd, other than the 1/6'ers showed the world how Fricked up your country and culture is becoming (lol but I digress)

In multiple states I've gone to DMV, had some Democrat voter who works there with smug attitude and full benefits give me the forms, tell me to wait but then - presto, it sort of works I get my ID. And I show my ID, they look me up on the list, I get my turn to go vote. I've never had to do sit ups, give a urine sample, juggle oranges, be bit by dogs, nothing.

Stop keeping illegals on voter rolls.

Insist on proof of legal voting status.

OR, continue to get what you deserve and who knows, I may have to vote Trump just to further the honorable cause of "your democracy!" lol.

Want to protect democracy?

Good, start acting like it and then I might also. Well, no, I won't ---but still it's' a good idea for you if you truly care.

Truth is, you care as much about vote integrity as you do the poor black kids trapped in your liberal created nasty inner city culture and schools.

Plantation owners - you are worse than the 1/6 crowd. They were primitives and thugs who showed themselves. YOU, are cunning and undercover. Far more dangerous.

Now they’re even quoting Liz Cheney in their posts.

This election has been. Friggin’. Awesome.

I mean, does it get any better than this? Who knew that the hard core PA left would morph into little Cheneyites?

Yep.

Endording Bush Cheney 100% thru and thru.

The thing with Liberals is, it's about the hate du jour. They spewed it to W. Reagan before him. Then McCain for the 3 minutes he wasn't kissing their butts. Then it was Mitt they spewed hate against and now - they forget all that because they are hate fixated on Trump.

Soon watch it'll be Kemp, Sununu, Youngkin, whatever.

Tis why your buddy long ago started cheering for "activities" in France and Europe, and now is loving life watching their shit democracy come apart and their country become - as predited- tribal and ungovernable.

The fun is if Trump loses. They think all this will go away .

I said 15+ years ago sir - Punishment is all I care about.

And now, it's irreversible.

If ONLY our side would stop helping their Goldman Sachs and their Big Corporations --things would be even more fun for me.

'In the meantime I admit, I love the oil drilling, fracking, and cheaper Fossil prices for all.

Surf's up!

I mean, does it get any better than this? Who knew that the hard core PA left would morph into little Cheneyites?

What about “It’s time for all Americans who love this country and its Constitutional form of government and institutions to put aside their differences and band together in order to defeat the forces of fascism.”.. do you not understand?

What about “It’s time for all Americans who love this country and its Constitutional form of government and institutions to put aside their differences and band together in order to defeat the forces of fascism.”.. do you not understand?
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That Saddam DID have WMD

And yellowcake.

And Congress dont need to declare no war.

Here's to Big Pharma, Big Ag, Big Oil --- and protecting democracy without demanding proof of legal voting status

Also understand: Drill baby Drill replaces puff the magic dragon.

Punishment is all I care about.

And we’ve known that about you for a long time.

It’s the very attitude that brands you as a MAGA LOYALIST in spite of your protests to the contrary.

You’re all in on the PUNISHMENT.

And the fact that you’ve given up caring about who is in power (as long as the punishment flows) sounds remarkably like the attitude of the average Russian citizen who has hunkered down with that attitude for the sake of mere survival.

What about “It’s time for all Americans who love this country and its Constitutional form of government and institutions to put aside their differences and band together in order to defeat the forces of fascism.”.. do you not understand?

You people understand the country, the Constitution, history, civics, economics and the best interests of the United States about as well as you know the difference between a nuclear reactor and a pop tart. Which is to say you people are aware that one has frosting.

That’s about it.

You can’t whine about fascism while cheering on tech company censorship and labeling all sorts of speech you don’t like as ‘misinformation’.

liberals lie to themselves before they lie to other people.

liberals lie to themselves before they lie to other people.

Proving once again that a right winger’s accusation is nothing more than a confession.

When democracy haters can’t counter facts, they rationalize their delusions with lies.

And we’ve known that about you for a long time.
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GOOD :) And now even you see I'm right and it's happening - but you won't admit it haha


It’s the very attitude that brands you as a MAGA LOYALIST in spite of your protests to the contrary
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Sorry Mazza, you can brand your black slaves in the democrat inner cities, but you can't "brand" me. And you can label others all you like - the way your buddied Limbaugh and Hannity do, but my voting record can't be branded as partisan either way. So, I'll Heil you - but you can't brand me especially when you have ZERO case - make it personal all you like, I'll just respond with current events and billions in debt - haha again

"You’re all in on the PUNISHMENT."

HELL YES ;) It's so much fun - because it's happening and I can tell that even you - inn your non diverse bubble, are seeing it now but too Trumpy Stubborn to say 'hey, maybe I don't have it all right and maybe he had a point"

"And the fact that you’ve given up caring about who is in power (as long as the punishment flows) sounds remarkably like the attitude of the average Russian citizen who has hunkered down with that attitude for the sake of mere survival."

I hope I'm not an innocent Russian because you and your Warmonger Ugly American buddies would take my Big Macs and cell service just because you dont' like my dictator even though you spent the 80's loving what Putin loved.

But wait, you "branded" me with MAGA on your plantation just above Mazza Z. How then do you say I dont care who is in charge?

(Nevermind I've asserted millions of times here - that I hope Beshear or Shapiro could win next time around)

Your hate filled ways never work.

BUT thanks to culture - your cities are more violent.

your people are more tribal.

Your debt is bigger.

Your air sucks more.

Your sea levels are rising.

You're losing.

And I love it.

And that makes you angrier.

MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE!!!!!!

Let me know when you're done going personal (but - there's more chance of you speaking out against your Liberal caused ethnic cleansing via black on black gun violence in Chicago than you do calming down and popping off at me)

LOLAnd just think: Right now, things are this shitty in your "democracy" and this is WITH a robust employment and stock market. Wait till that cycles a bit :) Then - the real fun begins.

I'm only in the 3rd inning with you. You're starting to get a clue.

7th inning stretch is when you look back and say 'shit, we've had it'

Next?

Democracy haters don't want to make voters prove they are legal voters.

I know you are but what am I?

You used to be so much tougher as a sparring partner. Do better.

I'm only in the 3rd inning with you. You're starting to get a clue.

Things will get interesting when all these lib grasshoppers start to feel it when Austerity arrives. Then they’ll go full-on communist and demand the democrats seize money from everyone else.

Then…they’ll be at full circle. Simultaneous Cheneyites and Stalinistas.

You can’t whine about fascism while cheering on tech company censorship and labeling all sorts of speech you don’t like as ‘misinformation’.

You can’t even get that right.

It’s not “misinformation”. It’s “DIS-information”- deliberately lying in order to achieve a political outcome”.

It’s “They’re eating the dogs and cats of the people in Springfield” in order to encourage bomb threats in Springfield schools and hospitals.

It’s “They can control the weather” in order to provoke death threats against meteorologists, NOAA, and the entire “climate change industry”

It’s “They stole the election” (and all of the attendant lies that went with that assertion) in order to galvanize a mob to attack the Capitol in a Hail Mary attempt to stop the electoral count and throw the election into the House.

It’s lie after debunked lie that has intentionally been promoted to stoke hatred, erode confidence and provoke violence in order to achieve a political outcome that could not be obtained otherwise.

And a democracy has every right to defend itself against intentional lies that are designed to destroy it.

Violence is the handmaid of fascism. Fascism encourages violence. Fascism seeks to control the state in order to legitimize its violence.

And after fascism takes power, it uses state sponsored violence against perceived enemies of the state in order to legitimize its rule.

Inevitably, the list of perceived enemies grows to include many of fascism’s supporters as well, but by then it’s too late.

Fascism must be defeated at the polls.

The cunning of fascism is its use of the very freedoms of democracy in order to drive a knife into the heart of democracy itself.

Elon Musk’s grandfather was a member of the KKK in Saskatchawan (Did you know that?) The family eventually moved to Apartheid South Africa where Elon spent his formative years.

Now Elon is using his platform to promote racist and anti-democracy DIS-information (aka “intentional” lies) in order to elect a tyrant who stands against the democratic government of this country.

In 24 days, we’re going to find out whether America is too dumb to survive.

It’s not “misinformation”. It’s “DIS-information”- deliberately lying in order to achieve

THE BORDER IS SECURE.
HUNTER’S LAPTOP WAS RUSSIAN DISINFORMATION.
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INFLATION IS TRANSITORY

Again, I don’t want to hear it. It’s amusing that you’re all for Big Tech controlling what people say. But who controls Big Tech? It ain’t you.

And speaking of disinformation:
It’s “They’re eating the dogs and cats of the people in Springfield” in order to encourage bomb threats in Springfield schools and hospitals.

There’s literally video of a guy barbecuing cats in Ohio and all the bomb threats were a) hoaxes and b) form outside the country.

Maybe if you got your news from real sources you’d know some of these things. Alas…

Violence is the handmaid of fascism. Fascism encourages violence. Fascism seeks to control the state in order to legitimize its violence.

And you have your street thug army Antifa all ready to go.

I used to point out the path the left was on when you people laughed at little old ladies being assaulted outside of Trump rallies. That was back when I thought that hardcore libs still had some American left inside their shriveled souls.

Now? I expect them to laugh.

Now you’re ranting about Elon Musk and citing the KKK, which has its roots in….


…

…wait for it…


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…the democrat party.

Dope1: You can’t whine about fascism while cheering on tech company censorship...

Funny, isn't it, that you're not similarly outraged that the Trump campaign reached out to Xhitter and Elon Musk and told them to suppress publication on the platform of the hacked information of J.D. Vance... the exact same action you're complaining about with respect to the Hunter Biden hard drive.

Except in this case Trump has even bribed Musk with a newly created cabinet position in a second Trump administration.

Mr. Trump has made clear that he appreciates the help, promising to appoint Mr. Musk to oversee a government-efficiency team if he is re-elected. At a rally in Reading, Pa., on Wednesday night, Mr. Trump appeared preoccupied with Mr. Musk, telling stories about his talks with Mr. Musk in three unrelated tangents and celebrating the “dark MAGA” hat that some attendees said they had bought because Mr. Musk wore it in Butler.

The relationship has proved significant in other ways. After a reporter’s publication of hacked Trump campaign information last month, the campaign connected with X to prevent the circulation of links to the material on the platform, according to two people with knowledge of the events. X eventually blocked links to the material and suspended the reporter’s account.

No surprise, really, that you're unable to condemn the behavior of the Trump campaign that you so eagerly condemned Biden for doing considering that you spent years whining that Hillary Clinton should never hold public office and should be in federal prison for mishandling 3 unclearly marked classified documents but still have not found the spine to condemn Trump for taking more than 300 documents that bore unambiguous classification markings including SECRET/REL TO USA, FVEY and dumping them where tens of thousands of members and guests had free access to them and sharing military intelligence with reporters.

You mean the illegally obtained info acquired by a state actor hostile to the US?

Tell me you’ll do and say anything to get and keep power without telling me you’ll do and say anything to get and keep power.

Prediction:
If Trump wins, there will be riots and a bunch of you people will be justifying the violence.

“Bitch made me do it” will be your justification.

No surprise, really, that you're unable to condemn….

No surprise, really.

Ignoring mountains and trumpeting molehills is a life-skill for some folks.

Did you catch that nonsense about the “Antifa army”?

Nonsense, disinformation and conspiracies.

This dangerous and toxic brew of chaos has exhausted too many people who need to wake up to the threat these people pose.

It’s flat out fascism.

Nonsense, disinformation and conspiracie

liberals lie to themselves
Before they lie to anyone else.

You are the poster child for that.

I didn't like the Star Wars prequels. But I will always remember the quote from one scene: "So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause". That sums up MAGA and support of the convict very succinctly.

Prediction:
If Trump wins, there will be riots and a bunch of you people will be justifying the violence.

“Bitch made me do it” will be your justification.

Two can play that game.

If Trump wins, during week 1, he will invoke the Insurrection Act, based solely upon his current rhetoric about immigrants (legal and otherwise), and the imagined hell-scape of all those “crime infested, Democrat run cities”. He may even seek to justify such an action with accusations about migrants eating cats, raping, pillaging, and murderingpillaging,but it will all be a smokescreen (think “Reichstag fire) for a naked grab for absolute power.

This will provoke a crisis within the military itself. Some generals will be all too willing to unconstitutionally throw their support behind this attempt of the president to enlist the military in order to control areas that voted Democratic…while other generals will choose to view this presidential order as unconstitutional and merely an attempt to strongarm the military into becoming Trump’s internal and very political police force of repression.


And then we’ll be off to the tragic race of Civil War.

I know which side I’ll choose. Which side will you choose?


Or….. well, hell….. my crstal ball just clouded over.

Vote for Harris. Stop the madness.

"So this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause"

Exactly

Lulz. And just a couple of posts ago here you were going on about conspiracy theories.

And then we’ll be off to the tragic race of Civil War.

Hahahahahahaha!
And there it is, just as I said.


Stop projecting.

Nonsense, disinformation and conspiracies.

That's MAGA in a nutshell (no pun intended).

Republicans of old had actual positions based on facts. I was one of them. Boiled down, we had different approaches to solve a given problem. And that was fine. We could argue the finer points of [whatever].

Today you have the "Antifa army" (which, first, doesn't exist, and, second, actually means "anti-fascist"), you have immigrants eating pets (also false), and more alarmingly, talk about "purity" and "contaminating blood" (and other "racial purity" BS).

I recognized 8 years ago that the convict was taking a very similar approach to the National Socialist Workers Party in 1930 Germany. He's only amplifying it today, instead of walking it back. Plus he's added "revenge" to his list of priorities.

Hitler was voted into power legitimately (not trying to Godwin this). Putin also was voted into power legitimately. Marcos was voted in. I'm sure there are more examples. Granted, I have the benefit of hindsight. But it is truly amazing to me how people can be so blind as to have elected them in the first place.

And now we have the convict, and he's got a credible chance for victory.

Chenyites and Stalinistas!!!

LOLOLOLOLOL Dope1 you got their pronouns :)


I also can't wait for the austerity stuff and some of it has already began.

From France to California, it's happening slowly BUT.......

Club 401K Liberals like our TMF friends - are comfy with their degrees and 401Ks and their Lilly white Whole Foods towns. They are fine. Secretly that WANT AUSTERITY for everyone else so that they can dole out morsels of mediocrity that we all have to beg them for.

They sort of want to turn all of us into one of their Housing Projects.

Then they - the Stalinites have more say in our lives -- - which is what dictators like them want.

You know, they keep telling me that Hitler came off as harmless at first. Come to think of it - Liberals try to come off the same way.

Interesting, that.

By the way, your fellow Arizonans don’t feel the way you do.

Loads of MAGA hats and shirts over at Barrett-Jackson and the Trump signs outnumber Harris 10 to 1 or better.

Guess we’ll see how many illegals the democrats can sneak through.

Hitler was voted into power legitimately (not trying to Godwin this).

Rest easy, my friend.

Godwin himself says when he wrote that, he did not foresee Trump, a bona fide fascist.

Guess we’ll see how many illegals the democrats can sneak through.

The “hordes of illegals are voting nonsense is just that- nonsense. But like Dracula himself, the myth refuses to die- without evidence, unsupported by any study or legal inquiry.

For at least 12 years, I’ve invited you, Dope, to provide any evidence you have to prove that large numbers of illegal voters is a thing. And for 15 years you’ve failed to provide any objective proof of same.

And here you are, also 15 years later, still banging that drum.

An important step in the authoritarian/fascist playbook is to destroy the people’s trust in the electoral system.

Did you actually sign on with that program? Or are you simply an unwitting dupe?

The “hordes of illegals are voting nonsense is just that-

Why do you oppose simple ID checks? Literally everyone who’s supposed to be here has ID. It’s the height of liberal paternalistic racism to suggest that minorities don’t.

You can’t even buy cold medicine without ID, but go libs saying No ID to vote.

And here you are, also 15 years later, still banging that drum.

Lulz. Every time you’re shown a court case where some judge forces democrats to remove people from voter rolls you hide your eyes and pretend nothing happened. Or you scream bloody murder.

Thanks to democrats, it’s impossible to determine if somebody voted illegally. How convenient for you.

And PS. You burned up all the good will you might have had years ago. Me - and no one on the right - owes you anything.

For at least 12 years, I’ve invited you, Dope, to provide any evidence you have to prove that large numbers of illegal voters is a thing. And for 15 years you’ve failed to provide any objective proof of same. - Bill

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The degree that illegals may be voting presently is not the issue. It is tiny as you point out and outcomes are not affected. But that is not the issue. The long game works as follows:

First - get as many into our country as possible. Numbers vary but are estimated at 20M.

Second - Make whatever deal you can as long as it includes a pathway to citizenship for the 20 million who already here having entered illegally. Kamala is already talking about some vague "earned pathway".

Third - Once the pathway is established in law, then all sorts of NGO's and activist organizations and lawyers can get behind various "Earned Pathway" assistance programs that will spring up to accelerate the process.

Fourth - With each election, a greater fraction of those 20 million will have completed the "earned pathway" process, become citizens and most important become reliable democrat voters, inevitably leading to one party rule that cannot be escaped.

Those of us who value "The Rule of Law" and "Democracy" and "election integrity" have a simple request:

Legal voters, having to prove they are legal voters -- just like we all do and have always done.

Fourth - With each election, a greater fraction of those 20 million will have completed the "earned pathway" process, become citizens and most important become reliable democrat voters, inevitably leading to one party rule that cannot be escaped.

It is a problem isn't it? How can you get new citizens to vote for you after you vilify and demonize them? Don't worry Trump can do it. He's the absolute best at getting freshly demonized American citizens to vote for him. They love him.

Legal voters, having to prove they are legal voters -- just like we all do and have always done.

That’s not even playing in the right ballfield.
This:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/09/20/politics/attemp...

And this:
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-op...

And let’s not forget:
https://blog.ucsusa.org/liza-gordon-rogers/texas-m...

Just normal maintenance of voting rolls?

Is this normal?

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/texas-attorney-ge...

Here's how libs cheat.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rnc-lawsuit-claim...

Just hire 7x more democrats than Republican poll watchers and ballot counters and what not, and let the process happen.

Your party is dirtier than a clogged chimney.

And BTW, libs like to bray about "confidence in our election systems" all the while keeping ineligible voters on the rolls, hiring partisan poll workers, and doing everything possible to make it tough to catch cheating.

Then they accuse US of spreading fear about the election.

Yeah.

Not having it.

Want trust in the electoral process? Stop playing games with it.

The democrats might as well be a bunch of banana republic types. There's zero difference.

all the while keeping ineligible voters on the rolls

It’s not the ineligible voters I’m worried about. Voter rolls have to be updated all the time, and no voter roll will be 100% accurate on election day. People die and people move. And no- we don’t have a large wave of dead people voting.

It’s the documented ELIGIBLE voters that Republicans seem hell-bent on removing from voter roles, or even their votes already cast- as Paxton attempted to do in 2020 with Pennsylvania voters.

And the 2020 exploits of Trump&Co were an attempt to disenfranchise tens of millions of us who voted for Biden.

It’s not the ineligible voters I’m worried about.

Of course. The more felons and illegals, plus provisionals from homeless the better, amirite?

It’s the documented ELIGIBLE voters t

One person, 1 vote, if they're eligible. Problem is the democrats do everything possible to dirty up the rolls.

Credibility of the democrats for election integrity? Less than zero.

Of course. The more felons and illegals, plus provisionals from homeless the better, amirite?

No, you’re not right.

The numbers of illegal voters is vanishingly small- as it should be.

But Republicans have a solution in search of a problem, and all such “solutions” generally create even bigger problems- as this Republican non-solution is intended to do.


Republicans have been hammering the non-issue of voter fraud for decades. The trouble of course, is that there is no voter fraud thT approaches a significant scale.
And the purpose of such hammering?

To pave the way for suppressing the votes of legitimate voters.


It’s an old old technique, first perfected by Jim Crow Democrats, but more recently practiced by Republicans.

And how do we know the effort is bogus? They’re breaking the law by initiating ther voter purges less than 90 days before the election, giving little time for legitimate voters to protest their removal. Abbott just bragged that Texas is purging hundreds of thousands of names from voter roles.

I’m sure the majority of those names are of folks either dead or moved- but out of almost a million names, there are quite a few who are live, legitimate voters. This purge should have been done months ago. The fact that it was done only recently testifies not only to its illegality, but also its motive- to sow confusion and threaten the voting status of legitimAte voters, giving them scant time to a.) discover that they’ve been removed, and b.) get their names back on the rolls.

Which party threatens the “integrity of the vote”? Self evidently and brazenly, the Republican Party.

They’re not even trying to hide it, though they are certainly trying to mask their intent by calling their efforts “protecting the vote”.

Don’t piss on our heads and tell us it’s raining.


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One person, 1 vote, if they're eligible. Problem is the democrats do everything possible to dirty up the rolls.
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Liberals don't believe in one person, one vote, if eligible.

That would make them believers in Democracy -- when decades of evidence is to the contrary.

Now they are swimming in a pool of punishment and *some* of them have gone unhinged over it.

They'll get used to it.

Helplessness eventually will settle in. Maybe they'l go back to Occupy Wall Street to pretend they aren't Goldman Sachs puppies. Maybe they'll get back with Bill Ayers and bomb America. Riot in Chicago. Side with Gorbachev over Reagan. Give aid and comfort to the Vietnamese or to Al Zarqawi.

Then a break for denying election results in 2000 and shouting "not my President". Or follow up that election denying in 2004 with " "Diebold Machines! Bush! Ohio!"

Then see shouting "my rights!" "My liberties!" "Patriot Act!" "Wiretaps!" only to see Obama and Biden embrace and utilize both.

Then shout "Trump!" "Resistance" 2 seconds before he's even sworn in.

Then "Putin!" "Putin gave it to Trump" to deny yet another election results.

And then to really show their Democracy bona-fides......

Rally around Dick Halliburton Cheney, hurting innocent Russian citizens, forcing a President off a ballot, giving a nomination to someone who didn't even come close to running a primary campaign, and be sympathetic and make excuses for people not showing they are legal voters at the polling places.

Geez, c'mon Liberals can you lay off us for awhile? And stop shredding our Democracy?

Now we know what African-Americans in the Liberal plantation cities feel like for decades.

I sort of miss the old days where Liberals conspired to destroy family units and culture, to make poverty and slavery permanent.

Sadly they've come for the rest of us now.

The numbers of illegal voters is vanishingly small- as it should be.

Amd you know this…how, exactly? I’ll answer for you: you don’t.
libs pass laws that allow illegals to vote. Now, normals know that non-citizens have no right to vote for even dog catcher but that doesn’t stop the progressive left, which is hell-bent on subverting every. Single. Institution. until its dead carcass can be worn as a skin suit.

Then libs make sure there’s no way to tell who can vote, then loudly proclaim there’s no issue. It’s like one team bans the practice of keeping score, then says “I win” all the time.

Your accusations are argumentative bunk. You’re trying to smokescreen what Team Blue is actively doing with fantasies about what Team Red might one day do.

And with no evidence - none, mind you - just the usual emotive stuff.

In a 50.1% election atmosphere, a tribal mosaic that was created by Liberals when they vandalized the melting pot ....can indeed be decided by a 'few'.

And Liberals have long become masters at winning thru the backdoor -- they know they are radicals in a Center country so this is just one more way for them to subvert.

Mind you this is better than Ayers lighting off bombs so maybe we shouldn't complain.

One person, 1 vote, if they're eligible. Problem is the democrats do everything possible to dirty up the rolls.

And MAGA secret agents lie their asses off

Then again remember, according to The Liberal Red Communist State Media, "only a few apartment complexes" were taken over by illegal immigrants.

Just for that I hope a mousetrap goes off in Paris.

Amd you know this…how, exactly? I’ll answer for you: you don’t.
libs pass laws that allow illegals to vote.

And you state this with “no evidence.” You forgot to post a few links to these laws.

Then libs make sure there’s no way to tell who can vote, then loudly proclaim there’s no issue.

Then how is it that local election boards caught Republicans voting twice for Trump in 2020? Have you ever read about the robust tools used to ensure all votes are legal? Where are the lawsuits and news stories of illegal voting (other than from the self-proclaimed liars who volunteered to pay over three-quarters of a billion dollars for lying. With more lawsuits in the works.).

And how is it that the Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles, using ONLY Republicans, found no illegal votes when recounting the 2020 ballots in Arizona? Actually, they found more votes for Biden.

And how is it the Texas AG still has his $1 million because no voter fraud was found in 2020? Ooops, my bad. The Texas AG was forced to pay $25,000 to a Democrat who found Republican voter fraud.

And with no evidence - none, mind you - just the usual emotive stuff.

Proving once again that a MAGA accusation is nothing more than an admission of guilt.

Facts have a liberal bias.


https://www.rgj.com/story/news/politics/elections/...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/republican-of...

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-encour...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/05/tr...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/cyb...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/22/politics/texas-vote...

Election denial is almost totally a GOP party-wide response. All MAGA pol's and candidates have
obviously been coached to keep spewing that BS. All GOP pol's have been threatened to embrace that BS, as their political life rides on them toeing that line.

It's not coincident that the exact same message is coming from all of them, from Vance on down, at all times. The MAGA foot soldiers eat that BS up. I guess the Country will see and experience how many of the maga foot soldiers are willing to be played as expendable fools when trump issues the thinly veiled orders to hit the streets when he loses in November.

Amd you know this…how, exactly? I’ll answer for you: you don’t.

Nor can I prove that Martians aren’t voting in droves, or that snipe hunters might not bag a trophy snipe one of these days.

But the time, energy and money spent on countless studies and inquiries into the issue of illegal voters have not found significant numbers. In fact, the numbers they have found have been “vanishingly small”.

But like the myth of Martians walking among us, the myth of illegal voting hordes lives on.

Mike Johnson had a telling remark a few weeks ago:

We all know intuitively that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections, but it’s not been something that is easily provable. We don’t have that number.

You all “just know it”.
You just can’t prove it.

And until you can prove it, we shouldn’t be instituting policies that keep snipes from voting, but are actually having the effect of suppressing the votes of real, living and breathing registered voters.

Which is a roundabout way of answering your question- you can’t prove a negative, Dope. I’ve seen you invoke that rule, so I know you know it.

But here’s something you CAN try to prove- the positive assertion “Illegals are voting in large numbers”

Unfortunately, Republicans have been trying to prove that assertion for decades and keep coming up bupkus.

We all know intuitively……
-That Haitians are eating dogs and cats in Springfield
—That Democrats stole the 2020 election
-That illegals voting is a treal problem
-that FEMA is actively hurting Republican voters in North Carolina
- or that horse paste cures Covid.

But, to quote the Speaker, it’s incredibly difficult to prove

And because you can’t prove something DOES NOT mean that Democrats are simply evil geniuses who are good at hiding the evidence you “know intuitively”is there.

It might just mean that you are full of shit.

Mind you this is better than Ayers lighting off bombs so maybe we shouldn't complain.

Is it?

I argue that them having seized control over so many institutions is doing more damage than Bill Ayers could have dreamed of.

*Incompetence in the government bureaucracy
*Institutions of higher learning that don't teach anything
*Cultural rot

On and on.

If I wanted to write a blueprint for destroying a nation, all I'd need to do is take the best "ideas" of the people who post here and implement them.

They do control institutions.

They also control Corporations.

Broken record from your buddy: Stop helping Corporations.

$50.00 Minimum wage now. Schumer, Harris - beg us not to do it/

Unionize Big Tech from top to bottom.

Capital Gains Tax? I'd look like a socialist and Bernie a capitalist.

And you state this with “no evidence.” You forgot to post a few links to these laws.

Already have. You used to be a better sparring partner, much more informed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/new...

That's NYC. I think a judge struck it down.

This kind of thing is in other places:
https://ballotpedia.org/Laws_permitting_noncitizen...

Inform yourself.

Or don't. I don't care. It's not like anything will make a dent, anyhow.

It might just mean that you are full of shit.

And there you go. The white, soft belly of surrender. Roll it over and bare it to the sun, big boy, and keep demonstrating that you can't argue or defend a point worth beans.

Then libs make sure there’s no way to tell who can vote, then loudly proclaim there’s no issue. It’s like one team bans the practice of keeping score, then says “I win” all the time.

Except....that's not true. Which is why few people with any familiarity about how elections actually works will actually make this claim, and why neither Trump nor Kari Lake nor any one else making these assertions can actually make it hold up in court.

Like a lot of regulatory regimes, elections supervision relies in part on after-the-fact enforcement. The elections departments keep a record of every single person who votes. Those records are available to the campaigns who participate in those elections, and all their lawyers. Most of those records are also available to the public. That's how campaigns, large and small, generate their voter lists for doing canvassing and reach-out - you can get a list of every person who voted in the last election, with their names and addresses.

So if you suspect that there are people voting illegally (not just still registered when they shouldn't be), it is super-easy to check. Just pick a thousand names or so from the list of people who voted, and check whether they were legally allowed to cast the vote. If there's any material degree of illegal voting, you'll come up with at least a few hits.

People can do this. People have done it! It's just that they always find out that once they actually look into it, the voters they suspect of having done something wrong....well, it turns out that they weren't doing anything wrong. One of the most visible (and slightly embarrassing) examples was Tucker Carlson's effort back in November 2020, when his crew went out and found that one female voter who was claimed to have voted after death was very much alive (she had the same name and birth year as another recently-deceased person), and another male dead voter was just his wife voting as "Mrs. James E. Blalock," as it used to be more customary for some wives to use their full husband's name in some legal matters:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/...

These efforts happen again and again and again. Some group will conduct a dive into the voter rolls, find a bunch of instances that look irregular when just doing a surface-level comparison of databases (like voter rolls and death rolls) - but whenever anyone actually investigates, all of those irregularities are perfectly fine. This culminated in the full federal voter fraud commission run by Kris Kobach in 2016, when you had all the resources of the federal government channeled into finding the widespread voter fraud that Trump was sure existed in 2016....but which they never found.

Again, they never find it even though it would be easy to find. Pull a state's voter rolls, pick a sample size of names at random, and check them - and if there's any material level of illegal voting, you will get some provable instances of it happening. But even though people do that type of analysis a lot, the result is always negative - which is pretty compelling evidence that this is not happening at any level that could affect federal election outcomes.

Already have. You used to be a better sparring partner, much more informed.

ROTFLMFAO!! This only applies to municipal voting in one city and was ruled unconstitutional one month ago by the Appellate Division for the Second Judicial Department in New York. It’s a big fat nothingburger.

Second, we’re talking about national elections, so please try to stay on topic.

This kind of thing is in other places:

From your own link, which apparently you didn’t bother to read:

“In 1996, the U.S. Congress passed a law prohibiting noncitizens from voting in federal elections, including elections for the U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and presidential elections. This law does not apply to elections for state and local offices.”

This one is a big fat nothingcheeseburger.

Inform yourself.

Says the most uninformed poster on these boards.



https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/25/new-york-...

Mike...if by whatever means -e.g. "earned pathway"- they become citizens, then they can vote. It's legal. Covered in the 14th Amendment (among others), because they are no longer "illegal".

So your issue, then, is not "illegals voting" (which we all are against), but various pathways to becoming legal. THAT is something we can debate, because that is not a made-up issue. But "illegals voting" is not a thing, and gets a bit annoying when people continue repeating that meme.

Nor can I prove that Martians aren’t voting in droves, or that snipe hunters might not bag a trophy snipe one of these days

You can succinctly say "Russell's Teapot". End of discussion (as Dope likes to say).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot

I also like what Hitchens said: anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Like a lot of regulatory regimes, elections supervision relies in part on after-the-fact enforcement.

This is the point that everyone insists on missing.
The filters are weak. Certain municipalities insist on contaminating the voter rolls with people who have zero, zip, nada, no right to vote. Period, full stop.

Then these same municipalities and interest groups then push back against attempts to understand going in who is casting a ballot legally and who isn't under the insidious guise of "ensuring every vote counts". The unsaid part is...making sure votes that shouldn't count, do.

This is how absurd voting is in some places:

https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/king-c...

One of Seattle's communist city council members survived a recall by (legally) printing ballots at pop-up "voting stations" that her campaign set up. The final margin of victory was...a little over 300 out of 40,000 cast.

The quote about checking ballots for authenticity is hilarious because there's no way to check.

And that's the point. There's no way to really check, so progressives can piously say, There's Nothing To See Here.

So your issue, then, is not "illegals voting" - 1pg

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I never said it was. Thanks for understanding.

Freaking hilarious.

You missed the point, I suspect deliberately.

Noncitizens do not have the right to vote. It's a rhetorical sleight of hand to point out "bbut it's illegal to vote in a federal election". Uhhh, what does that matter to somebody whose first act of getting to the US was breaking the law?

This notion of "Well, they can vote in local elections, but not national ones" is a con a 5 year old would come up with.

Do better.

I never said it was. Thanks for understanding.

You've been harping on this for years. But I don't recall you ever phrasing it in terms of "pathways to citizenship". From what I've read in your posts it was always "Democrats want to flood the country with illegals so they can vote for them". Which simply is not, and never has been, a thing.

If you want to talk "Dreamers", and "anchor babies" (which would require a Constitutional amendment to address, but it's still something we can talk about), and amnesty, and asylum...those are legit topics. "Illegals voting" just isn't, at least not at the federal level. If your municipality chooses to allow them to vote in local elections, the feds have no authority to say they can't do it (to my knowledge). But they can -and do- bar them at the federal level.

Russell's Teapot.

And there you go. The white, soft belly of surrender. Roll it over and bare it to the sun, big boy, and keep demonstrating that you can't argue or defend a point worth beans.

I chuckled when I read that.

Because it sparked a very real memory from over 60 years ago.

My friend Bobby Montgomery and I played Cowboys and Indians in the backyard between our two houses… back when neither the name of the game nor the toy guns employed gave anyone a second thought.

Anyway……. There were many occassions when I’d sneak up with my Matel imitation of a lever action 30/30, point it directly at his head from a distance of one inch, pull the trigger and yell “Bang! You’re dead!”

And Bobby would scream “No you didn’t! You missed me!”

I don’t know why I suddenly remembered Bobby when I read your response. Just coincidence, I guess.

I also like what Hitchens said: anything presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

I like Carl Sagans variant as well: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." (Sometimes shortened to ECREE also known as the Sagan standard.)

Our MAGA friends excel at the "extraordinary claims" part, but when it comes to the "extraordinary evidence"...not so much.

But I don't recall you ever phrasing it in terms of "pathways to citizenship" - 1pg I>

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That term is not mine, it is what Kamala used in her recent town hall on Unvision.

I don’t know why I suddenly remembered Bobby when I read your response. Just coincidence, I guess.

You forgot to play the victim, maybe that's why.

Loads of MAGA hats and shirts over at Barrett-Jackson and the Trump signs outnumber Harris 10 to 1 or better.

Not in my area. It's about equal in my area (and I'm surrounded by radically conservative mormons). And the "Trump" flags on flagpoles that were flying in the past are conspicuously absent this time.

As I've said before, Arizonans may be conservative, but they generally don't like crazy. That's why McSally lost both senate seats to Dems. That's why Lake lost the governorship to a Dem (Hobbs). That's why -per fivethirtyeight- Gallego (Dem) is crushing Lake so far.

Sadly, the convict is in a slight lead in AZ. But it's hardly a slam-dunk.

Guess we’ll see how many illegals the democrats can sneak through.

Not a thing. I invoke Hitchens.

You forgot to play the victim, maybe that's why.</>

You’re just an ever-gushing font of goofy right-wing memes, aren’t you?

The numbers of illegal voters is vanishingly small- as it should be.

Amd you know this…how, exactly? I’ll answer for you: you don’t.

Yes we do know it. There's a lot of energy devoted to detecting fraudulent votes, and detecting probnle4ms before voting. Every time a serious analysis is done, it shows the problem is minuscule, but does exist. Since we post it here when it comes out and you either dismiss it or ignore it entirely, we're not going back and looking for it. Every time we've discussed it, the problem had been teeny.

Problem is the democrats do everything possible to dirty up the rolls.

No. False

You are either lying are a gullible fool who laps up the MAGA bullshit.

This is NOT happening. For all the intense scrutiny there has been, there is nothing to this lie.

If you have been paying any attention at all then you must know that it is the TRUMP/MAGA side that is cheating every way they can, not the Dems.

We all know intuitively that a lot of illegals are voting in federal elections, but it’s not been something that is easily provable. ~MAGABOT

LOL! Isn't it interesting how quickly they stopped repeating this lie?
Oh well, another idiotic MAGA conspiracy theory shot in the ass...on to the next one!

"I have found that, to make a contented slave, it is necessary to make a thoughtless one.
It is necessary to darken his moral and mental vision, and as far as possible, to annihilate his power of reason." ~Frederick Douglass

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