bighairymike: I have no reason to dispute this stat. The liberals use it all the time as a response to any accusation of rampant crime that is increasing under Biden....

So, you believe the statistics that violent crime is declining are accurate but in the next sentence you claim to believe there is "rampant crime that is increasing under Biden".

Sorry, but it can't be both ways.

In the early 1990s, the crime rate fell in the United States. The causes were complex — owing much to improving economic conditions and innovations in policing strategy. Following a decades-long decline, violent crime rose during the Covid-19 pandemic. In 2020, president Trump’s last year in office, murder rates climbed by nearly 30 percent and assault rates by more than 10 percent.

Those are facts.

But even in the midst of the decades-long decline in crime, between 1990 and the mid-2010s, Gallup records only two years when a majority of voters did not believe crime had risen.

Who knows why? Perhaps it's because "the crazy guy menacing people on a confined subway car" makes the news. One guy, one incident.

Or maybe it's because Fox "News" has hundreds of stories predicting caravans of migrants invading the southern border.

Or maybe it's Walgreens lying about crime in their stores -- which they admitted to doing -- or the theft rings that turned out to be run by a middle class white suburban couple, not migrants or gang members.

Or maybe it's because Trump keeps telling his cult that crime is out of control and only he can make them safe. They believe him because they're in the cult and too lazy or uninterested in learning that the facts show that violent crime rose during the Trump presidency and has begun falling during the Biden presidency.

But facts are facts.

And these are the facts: since 2021, violent crime has started to fall. As of 2022 violent crime rates had fallen by 4 percent and murder rates by roughly 7 percent since 2020. Preliminary data suggests those declines accelerated in 2023.

bighairymike: ...but these other fears are real and is the reason uneducated Trump supporters say crime is rising problem. Silly isn't it.

Yeah, it is silly because it's not true. Some people's fear is real because that's all they hear on Fox "News," from republican politicians, and from Trump: migrants or Jews are going to replace you... murderers and rapists from Mexico are flooding into the country -- Trump began his 2016 campaign with that lie -- and there are migrant pickpockets in Times Square!

But the statistics and reality are clear: crime rates are declining and we've given you the data over and over again and you dismiss it over and over again.

So, yeah, choose your old saying: "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" or "You can't fix stupid."

brennancenter.org - Trump misleads about crime and public safety again