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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 6:49 PM
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Trump will they listen? Albaby, share alternative points of view from scholars we know , some of us would love to read it. Thanks. https://open.substack.com/pub/dersh/p/judge-essent...
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 7:02 PM
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Trump will they listen? Albaby, share alternative points of view from scholars we know , some of us would love to read it. Thanks.

Would you mind summarizing his argument briefly - or give me a timestamp to where in the show he actually makes that argument? You can't generate a transcript with YouTubeLive....
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Author: albaby1 🐝 HONORARY
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 7:27 PM
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Never mind, I found where in his show he actually makes his argument (it starts at around 14:05).

Anyway, Dersh is completely incorrect in his criticism - because he doesn't understand (or misrepresents) the argument that the prosecutors have actually made.

1) He dismisses the idea that the object crime could have been tax fraud, because Trump wouldn't have known or expected that his accountants would claim the expense as a business deduction some years later (or even that they did, or that they would have been wrong to do so). However, the prosecutors weren't arguing that it was Trump's taxes that were fraudulent - it was Cohen's taxes that were fraudulent, because he intentionally misstated his income in order to accommodate Trump's direction to process the payments as legal income to him, rather than payments to Daniels. Dersh is wrong - either he never bothered to read the prosecutor's motions or listen to the closing argument, or he's just misrepresenting their claims.

2) He dismisses the notion that Trump could have made the payments as a campaign contribution, because....why bother? He wouldn't have to declare until after the election? But the prosecution didn't argue that he wanted to avoid declaring the contribution - rather, the contribution is too large to ever be legal. It violated the numeric limits of FECA at the time it was made, not the disclosure requirement. That's one of the crimes that Cohen went to jail for - campaign contributions in excess of the FECA limit. Again, Dersh either is ignorant of or is lying about the actual legal argument.

3) Finally, he claims that the prosecution is trying to prove that Trump defrauded the voters of NY about not having sex with Daniels. Which again, is not what they're arguing. The third object crime is the NY state law that makes it illegal to try to get elected using improper means...which includes committing crimes as a mechanism for getting elected. It's how they're folding in the FECA violation as a state crime, because breaking federal law to win an election is also a violation of NY state law.

If you genuinely are interested in reading about this, the below link is an excellent summary of the prosecution's case. And unlike Dersh's ramblings, it's actually based on the arguments that the prosecutors made in court filings, not what Dersh has imagined their claims to be.....

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/charting-the-...
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Author: hclasvegas   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 7:39 PM
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“If you genuinely are interested in reading about this, the below link is an excellent summary of the prosecution's case.”. Thanks, I have a hunch you don’t type with one finger like me. If you believe trump was afraid he might lose the voters who favored a monogamous Caucasian 77 year old male lunatic,who makes more unforced errors than a blind tennis player, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. ☮️
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 7:46 PM
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If you believe trump was afraid he might lose the voters who favored a monogamous Caucasian 77 year old male lunatic,who makes more unforced errors than a blind tennis player, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

I don't. I believe that Trump was afraid that in the aftermath of the Access Hollywood tape, he might lose enough additional suburban women if there was another sexually charged scandal right on top of it. Thus, the desire to keep the Daniels affair under wraps until after the election.

I certainly don't believe that a "monogamous Caucasian 77 year old male lunatic" had anything to do with this, since we're talking about the 2016 election, not the 2020 election.
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 8:33 PM
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hclasvegas: If you believe trump was afraid he might lose the voters who favored a monogamous Caucasian 77 year old male lunatic,who makes more unforced errors than a blind tennis player, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

The back-to-back revelations of Trump raw-dogging a porn star and a Playboy playmate before and after the Access Hollywood bombshell would have destroyed the Trump campaign in 2016.

Timeline:

July 19, 2016: Trump secures the Republican Party's nomination for president.

August 5, 2016: The National Enquirer secures the rights to Karen McDougal's affair with Trump for $150,000.

October 7, 2016: The Washington Post publishes the Access Hollywood "I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything." video. For what, the only time in Trump's entire life, he had to apologize.

October 8, 2016: Stormy Daniels says she is willing to go on the record about her affair with Donald Trump. Howard and Pecker inform Cohen about the conversation and put Cohen in touch with Davidson, her representative. Cohen negotiates a deal to pay Daniels $130,000 in exchange for the rights to her story and a non-disclosure agreement.

October 25, 2016: Stormy Daniels says she's close to an agreement to publish her story elsewhere.

October 26, 2016: Cohen opens a bank account for Essential Consultants and transfers $131,000 he obtained by taking out a home equity line of credit into the new account.

October 27, 2016: Cohen wires $130,000 to Davidson, Daniels' attorney.

November 1, 2016: Cohen receives signed copies of the agreement between "Peggy Peterson" and "David Dennison." It is dated Oct. 28.

Anyone who doesn't think Donald Trump was instrumental in the catch and kill of the McDougal and Daniels stories -- and believes they would not have had a major impact on his candidacy -- isn't much of a thinker.

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Author: weatherman   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/29/2024 11:30 PM
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no wonder trump and fauxnews are upset.
judge marchan requests a judicial process against everything MAGA stands for, and maybe not even conceive.

“You must set aside any personal opinions or bias. You must now allow any such opinions to influence your verdict.”

what a fool, not knowing criminal court is fun taxpayer commons meant for 'winning', and 'spite', and 'dominance'.
oh well, there will probably be another trump trial sometime, for something, with more aspirational instructions. (cannon may even wring out a jack smith conviction !)
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Author: AlphaWolf   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Judge essentially instructs the jury to convict
Date: 05/30/2024 8:36 AM
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“You must set aside any personal opinions or bias. You must now allow any such opinions to influence your verdict.”

Alito?

Thomas?

Bueller?
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