Hi, Shrewd!        Login  
Shrewd'm.com 
A merry & shrewd investing community
Best Of BRK.ABest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd
Search
Shrewd'm.com Merry shrewd investors
Search
Best Of BRK.ABest OfAll BoardsThe Shrewd’m WeeklyLearn to InvestHow to Become Shrewd


The week's question
In December 2024, in the thread "Re: BRK: Why Not XOM?", BreckHutHigh asked the members: "What about the long road trips with kids?" This week it is put to everyone again. The button below opens the small thread re-asking it - read what others have said so far, then give your own answer as an ordinary reply.
Answer this questionContinue to Shrewd'mThis note won't appear again
Stocks A to Z / Stocks B / Berkshire Hathaway (BRK.A)
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (16) |
Author: mungofitch 🐝🐝🐝 GOLD
SHREWD
  😊 😞

Number: of 21944 
Subject: Re: On Charlie Munger's centenary, and albatrosse
Date: 02/07/24 11:36 AM
Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
No. of Recommendations: 10
In real life, I do not believe that the options market is zero sum. The reason is that market makers hedge their options positions with actual stock. This means that when
1) Options traders buy more calls than they sell, and/or sell more puts than they buy, market makers on the other side of the trades buy and hold more BRK stock to hedge their long-calls and short-puts positions
2) Options traders sell more calls than they buy and/or buy more puts than they sell, market makers on the other side of the trades sell BRK stock short to hedge thir short-calls and long-puts positions.
Indeed, there are special rules for options market makers that allow them to more easily and with fewer restrictions make short sales to hedge their options positions...


The things you say are true, but it doesn't mean the options market isn't a zero sum game.

If you consider every security trade by people who are participants in the the options market (as you seem to), including their trades in shares, then no, it's not zero sum, because share ownership isn't a zero sum game. But I don't think that's a useful way to delineate "the options market"...you're including non-options in the discussion.

If you consider only the set of all standard traded option contracts, that is in aggregate a zero sum game. An option contract can't ever create or destroy the underlying shares, nor ever affect the value of the underlying shares in any way.

None of the ways that an option contract can be bought, or sold, or come into existence, or cease to exist, or expire, or be exercised, can change the number of shares in existence or their value. So there is an absolute perimeter that you can draw around the options market that is nothing but the option contracts themselves, and the money passing between the people writing them, buying them, selling them, or seeing them expire. An option assignment doesn't create a share, it just obliges someone to move some already existing shares from one place to another.

Ultimately, all of the money received from selling options exactly equals the amount of money paid to buy options. It's an identity, true in every sub-period and over time.

What is more interesting to me is that there is no reason to believe that subsets of option trading are zero sum. I suspect that there is a long run net transfer of funds from buyers of options to sellers of options, though it may be modest. The amount gained by one group would have to equal the amount lost by the other group, however, as the boundary around all option contracts is a zero sum game.

Jim

Post New | Post Reply | Report Post | Recommend It!
Print the post
Members reply directly to mungofitch here — and replies get answered. Reading is free; so is joining the conversation. Join Shrewd'm »
This community has written 21,448 posts about Berkshire Hathaway. The article-length ones it recommended most:
BRK: Why Not XOM? · 62 recs · 2024
Second quarter comments · 60 recs · 2023
Berkshire's Profit Contributors · 57 recs · 2023
Summary of 2Q 2026 · 54 recs · 2026
3Q Summary · 53 recs · 2024
Unthreaded | Threaded | Whole Thread (16) |


Announcements
Berkshire Hathaway FAQ
Contact Shrewd'm
Contact the developer of these message boards.

Best Of BRK.A | Best Of | Favourites & Replies | All Boards | Followed Shrewds | Open Questions | Moving a community