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Author: Dope1   😊 😞
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Subject: Re: Everybody knew that Iran wanted nukes
Date: 06/24/25 12:12 PM
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One other point.

Argumentatively, you people are in a box.

If Iran was complying with the deal, then the strikes on Fordow and others should have demolished their nuke program. After all...if they were operating in good faith that would be all they had, right?

But if you want to claim that the strikes weren't effective because Iran's a big country and they had more things hidden elsewhere...then they weren't really following the deal, were they?

Quite the logical box to work yourselves out of. Good luck with that.

Here, let's finish off the Iran Nuke deal with this:

hoover.org - Obamas disastrous iran deal

In his famous 1897 essay, “The Path of the Law,” Oliver Wendell Holmes said that to understand the law, it would be necessary to adopt the perspective of the famous “bad man,” the one “who cares only for the material consequences” of his actions, but “does not care two straws for the axioms or deductions” of natural law. Our bad man just wants “to know what the Massachusetts or English courts are likely to do in fact.”

Indeed.

The remaining parties are our nominal allies who must believe that this nuclear deal represents a retreat from the basic proposition of Pax Americana—the guarantee that the U.S. will provide meaningful guarantees for the security of its allies. Our allies may well become less hostile to Russia and China precisely because they cannot count on U.S. leadership in tough times. The situation is starker still for the Israelis, who fear that the deal will embolden the Iranians to create more mischief in the Middle East and elsewhere. The Saudis are probably next in line in this belief. And both are surely right.

Iran’s promises count for nothing. Iran is quite happy to fund Bashar al-Assad in Syria, to back Hamas, and to launch terrorist attacks throughout the Middle East. It is eager to confront its Sunni rivals, most notably Saudi Arabia, by supporting their enemies. It is eager to annihilate Israel. Indeed now that the agreement seems in place, the Ayatollah says flat out that deal or no deal, “we will never stop supporting our friends in the region and the people of Palestine, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Bahrain and Lebanon.”


Quite prophetic, this.

As I said. Anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together...

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