You guys need to get over "the Southern Strategy"...

Why? It made the deep blue south into a red block. Democrats turned Republican. So prior to that, the parties were radically different than their current incarnations.

As for the D party swinging right, I wish I could get back onto TMF and look for the discussion we had a few years ago. The entire political spectrum has shifted right since Carter. Republicans are not only red, they're maroon. And if the Ds ever were a deep indigo, they are a light sky blue now.

This is where nuance is lost in a debate. Do you honestly think ANYONE wants a flaming Lake Erie? Seriously?

No. But many/most deny that could happen. Just as they continue to deny climate change. And there are campaign dollars attached to claiming that clean water and clean air regulations are "too strict". If someone's livelihood depends on believing that, they will be prone to believing it.

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