We're thinking about a minivan for a road trip friendly ride. Won't be an EV...

FWIW - a couple of EV possibilities

1) DS2 and his wife wanted an EV for them, two little kids, two big dogs. They ended up with a Kia EV9 which they've been very happy with. I know they made a 250 mile trip home from a wedding without recharging (more white-knuckle than I would have been comfortable with).

2) Rivian is releasing the second-gen R2 this month - a slightly smaller, cheaper SUV than the R1 (a good overview of the current launch in today's WSJ: wsj.com - Rivian r2 EV market )

Agree that lightly-used EVs are far and away a better bargain. I bought my retirement Rivian pickup @ 18 mo old and 20-25% discount from sticker. (I could have made it 25-30% below sticker, but the vehicle for sale was exactly what, when, and where I wanted it.) Have had it for a year and a half and love it.

FWIW, IF the company survives the current grim environment for EVs in the US (I think it probably will, but could easily be wrong), it's in a good place to beat the competition to robust Level 4 self-driving. Less talk, more cattle than Tesla, so to speak)

--sutton